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Reply With Quotebutter and honey covered yogurt are blessingsOriginally Posted by 2ndChance
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No offense, but you're kind of acting as if you think veganism is superior to omnivorism, which would mean you were superior to meat eaters.So if humans are superior to animals, are some humans superior to other humans?
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As a note, throughout this thread, I've used the word superior when referencing humans' place to animals. In general, I (and I can only speak for myself) am using that in a brain capacity way. For eg., there are probably no lions and gazelles right now disputing the meaning of superior. If that lion catches and eats the gazelle, game, set, match - the lion wins. If the gazelle gets away that day, it lives to forage for plants, procreate, and one day become food for a predator (though I suppose some must die of old age, at which point they'd be eaten by scavengers).
I also think we're superior to other primates. But I'd never eat one (unless literally starving) because it has been demonstrated to me (not told to me by one guru) that some apes have the cognitive ability, based on how we currently measure it, of a five year old. And of course I wouldn't eat a five year old.
If you (generic you, not any one person here) look to nature as your guide (ignoring of course what our teeth tell us we naturally eat), you'll find (for eg.) that animals with hooves feed predators. We are predators. We are intellectually superior. If not, then the next time you need dental work, go ask a cow to do it.
"I puked like a hero for the rest of the night," Anthony Bourdain, 2002. (After spending the day eating ant eggs, bugs, and larvae, and drinking some gelatinous alcoholic stuff.)
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butter and honey covered yogurt are blessings
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Why eat any vegetables? That shit'll kill you. Look here Green tea extract only affects markers of oxidativ... [Br J Nutr. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI
"The overall effect of the 10-week period without dietary fruits and vegetables was a decrease in oxidative damage to DNA, blood proteins, and plasma lipids, concomitantly with marked changes in antioxidative defence."
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Oh boy, it's THIS argument again.
Evolution of lactose tolerance: Why do humans keep drinking milk? - Slate Magazine
"Since milk's primary biological function is to support the growth of a young animal, some of its features make it inappropriate as a sole food for an adult.
To support cell division and growth, the methionine and tryptophan content of milk is higher than would be optimal for an adult animal, and the phosphate might be slightly more than needed, in relation to the calcium. Since the fetus stores a large amount of iron during gestation, the iron content of milk is low, and when a young animal has used the stored iron, its continuing growth requires more iron than milk provides. However, for an adult, the low iron content of milk and cheese makes these foods useful for preventing the iron overload that often contributes to the degenerative diseases."
Milk is a complete source of nutrients and protein. And yeah, I bet I could get a bunch of fear mongering propaganda if I googled "dairy is bad", but as I'm not that gullible, I'll just keep drinking milk.
Also, if I could find a woman that was permanently lactating, and would be willing to let me drink off her breasts you bet I would do it. Goats milk tastes good too, though.
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It's like reading every PETA pamphlet ever for the past 20 years. Same stale, easily-refuted arguments, over and over.
OP, if you're not eating animal products, and you're not eating wheat or soy, what are you eating? I'm honestly curious where you're getting your protein. Beans, I guess (not very primal, but whatever, 80/20 and all that)? Am I missing something?
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lately I've felt better eating fruit, avocado, nuts and chocolate than meat and vegetables. This might be an I-need-a-particular-nutrient from these things moment, or possibly something more, time will tell...
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Yes, very telling....
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By defining the term -- or putting it to a narrow point/process -- then it's perfectly fine to use this as a process.
When people use it in the "pyramid scheme" process -- separate from animals and from nature itself (or our ecosystem) -- then it's a bit problematic.
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I think she answered this in that she's eating nuts/seeds as well as gluten free grains (which do have protein, even if it's not that bio-available). Seeing as the RDA is actually relatively low, it's easy enough to meet the basic requirements for a sedentary person.
The RDA asserts 46 grams for the average vegan female (I assume without heavy lifting). Between nuts and oatmeal, things like broccoli as well. . .
1 cup oatmeal is 6 g
1 cup cooked broccoli is 4 g
2 tbsp almonds is 4 g.
So, that's 14 g right there -- and it's not much food. So, if you just tripled each serving (and there are, of course, other foods with protein in it -- other veg, seeds, etc), then you'd easily reach your 46 g of protein for the average person based on RDA.
Now, we know that here in primal land, RDA "ain't enough" for growing muscle etc etc etc. Most vegans use pea protein powder as their mainstay (the body building ones) in addition to soy, and glutenous grains which also have pretty high protein (ie, bulgar wheat).
Still, if she were paleo-vegan, I would wager that 3 cups of oatmeal -- which honestly isn't that much in a bowl at breakfast with 3 TB almond slivers with, say, some nice apple sauce (sugar free) and pie spice would be quite filing and tastey and get her most o the way there. Later, a big spinach salad with some orange bits and maybe fennel and some more almonds (3 tb) and she's still headed in the right direction, and hten for dinner, gets 3 cups cooked broccoli -- which is about what I eat at dinner when I have broccoli as we have to make at least 8 cups for our family -- then she's basically passed the line.
And, assuming she could put in other seeds and nuts which will diversify nutrient profiles and the like -- and then did wacky things with them like make super-yummy pates and/or raw crackers (one of my favorite vegan snacks and still a treat on occasion). . . then, yeah, she's definitely making the grade.
It could also be quite high fat between all of the nuts/seeds, avocados, olive oils and the like that could be added, so the diet would lean toward fat really -- for satiation -- and then the rest just fills in the nutrient profiles after that.
I'm not saying it's super-fabu-awesomesauce, but I think it could be done.
Largely because that's how I ate until my cholesterol went way too low.
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She could just pump for you. But the sad reality is that most of the women who are pumping -- myself included -- are either A. feeding it to our children or B. feeding it to other people's children when those women want breastmilk but cannot produce it or produce enough of it for themselves. Milk-sharing is a big thing (very important), and I did a fair bit of it.
Trust me, that milk is hard won. We don't just give it away to random men who might think it's nice, and your over-sexualization of our feeding process for our children is kind of yucky.
Of course, some women in Europe did donate milk to a chef who made it into something special for some awareness-raising what-not, and it got a lot of press -- but hte idea was to bring human milk into the norm, not so that people can perv about it.
End of the day, I nursed my friend's daughter and also gave 3 months worth of pumping to her -- and I'm glad and proud to have done it -- and IMO, that's where that milk belongs.
As for produced milk -- cows, goats, horse, etc -- up to the individual to decide whether or not it's healthy (for them) and moral to consume, etc.
We buy raw milk through a cow share, and they are considering starting a goat share as well. We might get a share to both, then alternate which we order.
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