Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 49

Thread: Strength good, conditioning bad. Help. page

  1. #1
    heatseeker's Avatar
    heatseeker is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    593

    Strength good, conditioning bad. Help.

    Primal Fuel
    Hey all. I'm getting sort of irritated at how slowly my conditioning is improving, and how quickly it goes away if I take time off from working out. For me, strength comes really quickly, I put on muscle fast, and I have constant strength gains. But my conditioning is either not improving, or improving at a snail's pace. I'm constantly winded while doing most metcons. My muscles start burning really quickly when doing repetitive movement. I'm good at 1-rep maxes, or small sets of heavy weight with lots of rest; but when I have to keep moving the bar (or my body, or whatever), it all falls apart. For instance: I can jerk 110 in sets of three, but the other day, doing 7 reps of a bear complex at 55lb, I had to drop the bar after five reps. My muscles just BURN really soon into the workout and I start failing.

    I took two weeks off from crossfit for the Christmas holidays (wasn't my choice, they didn't have classes), and the past two weeks back have been hard. I'm SO tired and wiped while doing the metcons. My strength has not suffered at all; I'm still lifting the same. But my ability to endure and keep going is just shot, and it improves soooooooo slowly. And I'm impatient.

    So, my question: why is this? And how do I make it better? Should I throw in more tabatas? Run? Do fast sets of high reps at a light weight? I'm really happy with my strength training and where I'm at there, but really annoyed that I have to stop and suck wind every few minutes in metcons, and that my muscles burn so quickly.

  2. #2
    arthurb999's Avatar
    arthurb999 is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    RI, USA
    Posts
    1,034
    What event are you training your conditioning for?

  3. #3
    boomingno's Avatar
    boomingno is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    83
    I used to worry about this topic, until I ran across this Mark Rippetoe article...

    T NATION | Conditioning is a Sham

  4. #4
    Gorbag's Avatar
    Gorbag is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    3,167
    Improve your weakness is the order of the day here! Less heavy compound, more machines and dumbells and lots of reps and volume. Start out gradually and build up on reps and sets shortening of rest periods etc. Good luck!...

  5. #5
    heatseeker's Avatar
    heatseeker is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    593
    What event are you training your conditioning for?
    Life.

    I used to worry about this topic, until I ran across this Mark Rippetoe article...

    T NATION | Conditioning is a Sham
    Very interesting article. Gave me a lot to chew on. I'm basically in agreement that I shouldn't add more work to my regimen, because I'll be shooting myself in the foot strength-wise. But it's still pretty frustrating to be sucking wind so much.

    Although--this morning during the metcon I experimented with just staying in motion the whole time, taking no rest, even if I was totally gasping for breath. It actually worked out pretty okay; I did really well in the workout and didn't die or anything. I felt the same amount of tired in the end. This indicates to me that rest periods aren't actually helping me, and that part of my problem is all in my head, that I'm unwilling to push through pain/heavy breathing.

  6. #6
    Gorbag's Avatar
    Gorbag is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    3,167
    Unless you are a strength athlete, power-lifter or NFL line-back, I wouldn't listen much to the macho bullshit from Rippetoe! I have tried both world, and believe me, from a fitness perspective a conditioned athlete gives a much better "feel good" effect than being only an unconditioned strength athlete. Your symptoms of out of breath seem to be similar to "bonking" due to glycogen depletion, or you could be slightly out of iron in your blood (anemia)...

  7. #7
    boomingno's Avatar
    boomingno is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    83
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorbag View Post
    Unless you are a strength athlete, power-lifter or NFL line-back, I wouldn't listen much to the macho bullshit from Rippetoe! I have tried both world, and believe me, from a fitness perspective a conditioned athlete gives a much better "feel good" effect than being only an unconditioned strength athlete. Your symptoms of out of breath seem to be similar to "bonking" due to glycogen depletion, or you could be slightly out of iron in your blood (anemia)...
    ...did you even read the article? From HIS fitness perspective, being strong turns what for some people is an all-out effort to do one rep, INTO an endurance exercise. Would you call someone who can spend a day loading 150-200 70lb bales of hay "poorly conditioned" because he or she runs a bad 5 minute mile time?

    EDIT: although it is worth pointing out that Rip's article is mostly talking about untrained individuals, which the OP does not seem to be.

    But I think the point still stands. Add weight to your primary lifts, and eventually what you lift now is just a warmup.
    Last edited by boomingno; 01-21-2013 at 11:48 AM.

  8. #8
    Gorbag's Avatar
    Gorbag is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    3,167
    Quote Originally Posted by boomingno View Post
    ...did you even read the article? From HIS fitness perspective, being strong turns what for some people is an all-out effort to do one rep, INTO an endurance exercise. Would you call someone who can spend a day loading 150-200 70lb bales of hay "poorly conditioned" because he or she runs a bad 5 minute mile time?
    Yes, the heyball argument is pure sophistery, and "stength" is relative to exactly what you are training for, with little or no carry over effect. Starting Strength is a beginners program similar to what I did at the age of 15 but it is not necessary for conditioned fitness nor for muscle volume, but obviously Rippetoe is some kind of a modern guru...

  9. #9
    Gorbag's Avatar
    Gorbag is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    3,167
    Quote Originally Posted by boomingno View Post
    EDIT: although it is worth pointing out that Rip's article is mostly talking about untrained individuals, which the OP does not seem to be.
    As an untrained individual you will develop strength and muscle volume on almost any sensible weight program. It is not a bad idea starting your lifting carrier with the heavy compunds, but it is not the only way, and don't let that type of training hold your back, if what you really need is more stength conditioning. So many gymrats in my gym are held back by only focusing on strength numbers, instead of building up more reps, sets and training days. Especially if your goals are general fitness...

  10. #10
    jfreaksho's Avatar
    jfreaksho is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    1,961
    Rip's article is fantastic, for untrained individuals. The basic premise is that you get more from basic strength work than you will from any other form of training. IIRC, the guy who wrote "Building the Gymnastic Body" had a similar philosophy, insisting that no technical work be done by his athletes until certain strength standards can be met. The two of them have different standards for baseline strength, and different ways to achieve it, but the concept is similar. They go for the most benefit from the least amount of time, the biggest bang for the buck.

    I'm not much beyond untrained, but due to the nature of my fitness tests, I have to do endurance work, and I have to do it regularly, because my endurance fades so much faster than strength. I can do a handful of 1-arm pushups, but I'd probably struggle to hit 60 regular pushups for my fitness test if I took it tomorrow. A few months ago I was hitting 75-80. I don't know of any way around it but to grind out reps (shooting for 2k/month, about 100 per weekday right now) consistently in the next few months leading up to my next test. (Meanwhile I am working on increasing my max strength with a lifting program, but that isn't upping my pushup numbers yet.)

    For some reason, I don't have these issues with situps or the 2-mile run- I'm maxing or very close to maxing for both of those events.
    Last edited by jfreaksho; 01-21-2013 at 02:18 PM.

Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •