Murray Rothbard is real good too, like his language is plain and grasp of the deeper issues is evident in even the lighter commentary.
Originally Posted by sakura_girl
But I should say in fairness that I have a lot of issues with the "free-market" crowd and regularly engage in flame warfare on forums with their many boring conformist ayn rand wanna-be protestant-ethic obsolete prophets.
I thought that you said, "but this system seems to be the most efficent now," or something to that effect.
Never did I say that government was efficient. I stated that humans are good at being efficient, and that we are just operating under an inefficient government system. We make changes gradually that make the government system more efficient, but I believe that advancement of technology must play a role in that.
I wouldn't argue that we are bad at efficiency, but would add that government exists to limit that tendency.
Really? I think that we move toward INstability and IMbalance with action- when a father smacks a kid, that kid goes to school and smacks a class-mate, who goes home and smacks his dog, whose mother smacks his father. lol The first smacked kid doesn't go out and hug a cripple or protect the gay kid at school or some shit.
Efficiency isn't a priority - it's embedded in our nature. It's embedded in nature, period. Because once we do an action, there will be something else in the system to balance it. And that is very efficient.
a unit of production? lol
No, you wouldn't want to think it like that. But in the big picture, it's true. He is a unit of production, and is valuable to others just as he finds value in others. He can be happy and sad and everything that goes with emotional well-being. But in the end, that's what man really is.
We the final product baby.
So, there is basically someone who doesn't value something as much as you. So, what? Doesn't that just mean that you will be satisfied with less, and basically will be hurt less by anything that hits you because you are easily satisfied?
uhhh no. LOL that's how you took it? No it means that I have to tell my wife, "Sue gets to go on vacation because she is good at lying and stealing money, and has no job consequently. You have to get back to work baby." Fuck sue- if I honestly thought that I could succeed in doing so, I'd get on a dirt bike and murder everyone like her until I came to the shores at the end of the continent.
no when times are tough the government and its parasite attachments get fatter.
I'm not saying that it's an ideal situation to be, emotionally, to not be able to make as much money as someone who is immoral or less capable at a certain skill as you. But it balances. They will be hit harder when times get rough, just like they benefit more when times are good.
no- the world just is. I thought you were into Asian traditions...lol What about Lao Tsu? Siddhartha? "System" is how your ego makes sense of what is happening around you.
True, but I don't know how else to describe it. The world in which we live in is a system, with all the intangible interlinked connections, interlinked resources, means of production, etc. And right now it's inefficient.
"Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."
Jack london, "Before Adam"