I'll tell you what, I love me some cold hash browns. I ate some for lunch today - I grated 3 white potatoes and 1 small onion, threw in some salt, pepper and extra hot chili powder and baked til crispy last night - and woo boy, good stuff. But raw potato...eek. I will pass on that, I don't care if it has some kind of magical weight loss property (which I'm sure it doesn't). I'd rather just skip a meal
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I merely came along to point out how ridiculous that statement is. And it is ridiculous. My post that started this whole multi-page back and forth with you in this thread pointed out that the reason RS is in any sense "important for gut health" is solely due the fact that it is a carbohydrate that makes it through the digestive tract intact to the colon where it can be fermented. Other carbohydrates have this exact same property, and if you are really intent on colonic fermentation you can do much much better than some cold potatoes:
This should sound awfully familiar to you, but I don't expect that it will cause you to back away from your "resistant starch is special" mantra. You have also presented zero evidence, providing only empty assertions, to support your claims that "we should seek out and eat" resistant starch. Here is one simple question for you: how much colonic fermentation is optimal for health? Any peer-reviewed evidence you can provide to support your claims would be greatly appreciated, although, truth be told, without the peer reviewed evidence your claims are for all intents and purposes worthless.Originally Posted by The Effects of Inulin on Gut Health and Bifidobacterial Populations in the Colon
You also have a very irritating tendency to construct straw man arguments, which essentially entails putting words in other people's mouths and then arguing with those words. Somewhere along the line you positioned yourself as the defender of a healthy gut biome. Well, bully for you, except that as far as I'm aware, nobody, and least of all me, is arguing against maintaining healthy gut microflora. Rather, I am arguing against your chosen weapon in this fight, resistant starch from potatoes.
Lastly, although you may not appreciate this, on some level I actually look forward to the ad-hominem attacks, snide remarks about my "dissertations", and out of left-field non-sequiturs about "unicorns" because those are sure signs that you and others are having a tough time actually addressing the arguments in am making in a calm, deliberate, and logical fashion.
So, be sure to eat these:Inulins are important constituents of dietary fiber that are present in a wide variety of foodstuffs of plant origin that act as prebiotics, which enhance gut colonization by beneficial bacteria, principally the bifidobacteria. Inulins consist of linear and branched polymers of repeating fructosyl units that range between 2 and 60 units in length. These polysaccharides are resistant to the host metabolism in the upper digestive tract, but are fermented by bacteria in the colon. Diets in the developed world that often comprise highly processed foods contain lower than desirable levels of inulin and dietary fiber generally. Inulins added to foods help maintain the mucosal barrier in the gut and are claimed to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer and maintain gut health particularly in infants and the elderly. In recent years, inulins have been increasingly recognized as important in digestive health and are added to a variety of food products to take advantage of their prebiotic effects. This trend is likely to continue.
Plants that contain high concentrations of inulin include:
Agave (Agave spp.)
Burdock (Arctium lappa)
Camas (Camassia spp.)
Chicory (Cichorium intybus)
Coneflower (Echinacea spp.)
Costus Saussurea lappa
Dandelion (Taraxacum officinale)
Elecampane (Inula helenium)
Garlic (Allium sativum)
Jerusalem artichoke (Helianthus tuberosus)
Jicama (Pachyrhizus erosus)
Leopard's-bane (Arnica montana)
Mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris)
Onion (Allium cepa)
Wild yam (Dioscorea spp.)
Yacón (Smallanthus sonchifolius spp.)
from: Inulin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But eat them with caution because: About 30–40% of people in Central Europe suffer from fructose malabsorption. Since inulin is a fructan, excess dietary intake may lead to minor side effects, such as increased flatulence and loose stools in those with fructose malabsorption. It is recommended that fructan intake for people with fructose malabsorption be kept to less than 0.5 grams/serving.[16
As for me, I'll take taters!
Last edited by otzi; 01-22-2013 at 06:48 PM.
The danger in using Wikipedia as the source for the majority of your knowledge is that it is easy to follow your tracks ( I've highlighted the bits that are relevant, but you conveniently omitted ):
If you think about it, that last paragraph that you latched on to is a non-sequitur and actually should probably be removed from that article. It is irrelevant if you suffer from fructose malabsorption, because as the article itself says, "normal digestion does not break down inulin into monosaccharides", that is, fructose. The breakdown to fructose occurs in the colon as a substrate for fermentation ... something that you seem to like when it happens to glucose.Originally Posted by The Fount of Otzi's Knowldege (Wikipedia)
Throughout the excerpt from Wikipedia that I more fully included above, you can see the many parallels that are being drawn between inulin and resistant starches. My favourite bit, though, would have to be "This makes [Inulin] similar to resistant starches and other fermentable carbohydrates." I can see why it is important for your argument to redact that bit ... can't have folks thinking that there is no magic in a cold potato.
As for the horrors of regularly eating chicory, onions, leeks, garlic, and bananas as opposed to cold potatoes ... you have to be kidding, right?
P.S. I asked you one simple question, Otzi. I'm still waiting for your answer.
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Onions and garlic are always on my menu! Sometimes leeks.
And even though I'm HFLC, I gotta have my plantains on occasion as treats.
That is not food man... serious.
My dog won't even eat that if it falls on the floor.
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