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    Why do starchy carbs like sweet potato, potato, squash make me ill?

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    I have known for years that starchy carbs make me sick. Bread I get but why the tubers? All of them, especially white potatoes make me feel ill. I get cramps, bloating and the gassy runs. The doc looked at me like I was somehow not quite write in the brain box. Too much sugar did the same thing to me pre paleo as did the starch and I wonder if there is an issue with starchy carbs like gluten sensitivity?

    I have been as near to grain free for the last 9 months as it is possible to be in our first world but since Wednesday evening when my daughter was born I have had to eat out a lot. I did very well but for the home fries with breakfast Thursday morning, I was tired and hungry and I said what the hell. Well hell came to visit a few hours later and I am still feeling it pretty hard. I have to run for the wife, I have to clean the house before baby comes home and all I can do is keep running for the head. Gods forbid I squat and lift anything....


    Anybody have an idea why this happens?
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    Sounds like your carbohydrate intolerant. Here's a way to go about figuring your best levels...

    Carbohydrate Intolerance & Insulin Resistance Diet For Improved Health
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    Wow, love all the foods on the test..

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    ^Definitely Primal approved

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    lol @ "carbohydrate intolerant." Carbohydrate is consumed in greatest quantity by the average human. An intolerance to our preferred food source makes me chuckle.

    That being said, your issue is likely your gut flora. Carbohydrate is largely broken down in your intestine - fermented by gut flora. Things like diets high in insoluble grain fiber, diets very low in natural sugars, overexposure to antibiotics and a whole host of other things can be responsible for wiping out your gut flora. Without healthy gut flora, you're going to have severe intolerances to starch because you need that flora to digest soluble fiber.

    Check this out:

    9 Steps to Perfect Health #5: Heal Your Gut

    You can do things on your own to recover your gut flora - taking a probiotic supplement, eating quality fermented dairy (organic full-fat Greek yogurt or kefir), consuming more easily digestible fruit (gut flora loves natural sugar, think more citrus fruits and melons and less berries), and of course, reduce your exposure to things that are awful for your gut - polyunsaturated fats, insouluble grain fibers, etc.

    In time, you should be able to recover your gut flora. Note that some people are so far gone (usually from antibiotics), they have to resort to "fecal transplants" - which is exactly what you probably think it is...

    I strongly recommend purchasing this probiotic:

    Nutrition Now PB 8 Pro-Biotic Acidophilus For Life

    I use it myself on occasion. It's rated very highly and very affordable. You can try taking this probiotic alongside a small well-cooked sweet potato and a little Greek yogurt. See how you react. You may slowly be able to build yourself back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    your issue is likely your gut flora. Carbohydrate is largely broken down in your intestine - fermented by gut flora. Things like diets high in insoluble grain fiber, diets very low in natural sugars, overexposure to antibiotics and a whole host of other things can be responsible for wiping out your gut flora. Without healthy gut flora, you're going to have severe intolerances to starch because you need that flora to digest soluble fiber.

    Check this out:

    9 Steps to Perfect Health – #5: Heal Your Gut

    You can do things on your own to recover your gut flora - taking a probiotic supplement, eating quality fermented dairy (organic full-fat Greek yogurt or kefir), consuming more easily digestible fruit (gut flora loves natural sugar, think more citrus fruits and melons and less berries), and of course, reduce your exposure to things that are awful for your gut - polyunsaturated fats, insouluble grain fibers, etc.

    In time, you should be able to recover your gut flora. Note that some people are so far gone (usually from antibiotics), they have to resort to "fecal transplants" - which is exactly what you probably think it is...

    I strongly recommend purchasing this probiotic:

    Nutrition Now PB 8 Pro-Biotic Acidophilus For Life

    I use it myself on occasion. It's rated very highly and very affordable. You can try taking this probiotic alongside a small well-cooked sweet potato and a little Greek yogurt. See how you react. You may slowly be able to build yourself back up.
    +1
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    lol @ "carbohydrate intolerant." Carbohydrate is consumed in greatest quantity by the average human. An intolerance to our preferred food source makes me chuckle.
    I had forgotten about you and you thinking that everyone needs a ton of carbs.
    I can't eat too many without feeling sick and tired too. So remember Choco, every one is different. Don't tell this person its not possible, when it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayla2010 View Post
    I had forgotten about you and you thinking that everyone needs a ton of carbs.
    I can't eat too many without feeling sick and tired too. So remember Choco, every one is different. Don't tell this person its not possible, when it is.
    I don't think you need a "ton of carbs." I also don't think you need a "ton of fat." Eat real food and you'll naturally get enough of each. It's when you start exclusionary dieting - like ketosis or low carb BS out of macronutrient fear - that you run into problems.

    Yes, I said preferred fuel source. Your body burns glucose preferrentially over fatty acids, it's not directly stored as body fat whereas fatty acids are, it is a more efficient fuel (your mitochondria will have a higher CO2 output on a diet with ample starch and fruit vs a low carbohydrate diet), it reduces levels of corsitol and adrenaline vs low carbohydrate diets, if you undereat glucose too regularly your body will break down lean muscle tissue into glucose to fuel your brain...I strongly recommend a diet where carbohydrate is ample.

    Factor in that the overwhelming majority of traditional societies consume more starch than fat...well, it's pretty clear we produce amylase in our saliva for a reason. Starch was probably the most integral fuel source for our evolution as a species, especially considering for the overwhelming majority of our existence we survived in equatorial regions where fruit and starch is plentiful and animals are lean. Exactly how long have we been consuming very fatty game? Not very long considering we only recently migrated to cold temperature climates. You probably descended from people that ate a lot of carbohydrate. The difference is they ate fruits, tubers and roots, not grains and refined isolated sugars.

    Obviously, YMMV, but I think a good rule of thumb is to consume 1-2g of carbohydrate for every gram of protein you consume to counteract the gulcagon response in a heavy fat/protein diet and keep yourself out of a chronic state of gluconeogenesis (which is stressful and catabolic). It's helped me a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    I don't think you need a "ton of carbs." I also don't think you need a "ton of fat." Eat real food and you'll naturally get enough of each. It's when you start exclusionary dieting - like ketosis or low carb BS out of macronutrient fear - that you run into problems.
    I agree with this assessment. It often feels that this has become more of an Atkins diet forum than a true paleo or primal forum. The Inuit are much-lauded on this forum as being some sort of archetypal paleo people... yet they have never been known to be exceptionally long-lived. I am not Inuit, nor am I built like the Inuit, nor do I live in such a hostile environment as to require huge amounts of dietary fat simply to provide the amount of calories necessary to exist in such an environment. Personally, I'd much rather pattern my diet after a group of people who have attained good health and a long life, such as the Okinawans. In every study I have read to date... that sort of diet includes a lot more carbs than most people here are willing to accept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEL62 View Post
    I agree with this assessment. It often feels that this has become more of an Atkins diet forum than a true paleo or primal forum. The Inuit are much-lauded on this forum as being some sort of archetypal paleo people... yet they have never been known to be exceptionally long-lived. I am not Inuit, nor am I built like the Inuit, nor do I live in such a hostile environment as to require huge amounts of dietary fat simply to provide the amount of calories necessary to exist in such an environment. Personally, I'd much rather pattern my diet after a group of people who have attained good health and a long life, such as the Okinawans. In every study I have read to date... that sort of diet includes a lot more carbs than most people here are willing to accept.
    Or how about the Hunza? They get the majority of their calories from *gasp* grains and fruit!

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