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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenHLi View Post

    The theory behind the flu shot is to help our immune system train to fight the foreign virus...specifically for the next encounter. My question is if that really works. Does injecting the body with a deadened or inactive virus generate any kind of prosperous practice or training? Are the antibodies that are developed the same antibodies fit to help our fight against a live, fully active virus strain?
    Yes, they are the same antibodies that fight off the active virus, and the viral antibodies can be detected in the bloodstream. When present, they confer immunity, regardless if they were the result of prior infection or from vaccination. Failures only occur if the immune system does not produce the antibody after vaccination, which occurs in a small number for various reasons (inadequate dose, immune disorders, etc.).

    The Salk polio vaccine, for example, consists of an inactivated, dead virus. It was initially tested in over 600,000 children, a third of whom were given placebo, and was over 90% effective. As I'm sure you know, polio subsequently went from a devastating neurological illness with between 20-50,000 cases yearly in the U.S. to total elimination from the Americas. Sadly, outbreaks still occur in regions of the world that vaccination hasn't reached.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophieScreams View Post
    As a medical professional, I do not get the yearly flu vaccine. Neither do half my coworkers.
    It's not required for you job? I work at a children's hospital, I'm not in patient -care ( I'm a computer programmer), and I don't even work in the hospital itself, I work at a nearby office building, we are required to get the flu shot. No shot = no job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abbyful View Post
    It's not required for you job? I work at a children's hospital, I'm not in patient -care ( I'm a computer programmer), and I don't even work in the hospital itself, I work at a nearby office building, we are required to get the flu shot. No shot = no job.
    That is really unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jturk View Post
    Yes, they are the same antibodies that fight off the active virus, and the viral antibodies can be detected in the bloodstream. When present, they confer immunity, regardless if they were the result of prior infection or from vaccination. Failures only occur if the immune system does not produce the antibody after vaccination, which occurs in a small number for various reasons (inadequate dose, immune disorders, etc.).

    The Salk polio vaccine, for example, consists of an inactivated, dead virus. It was initially tested in over 600,000 children, a third of whom were given placebo, and was over 90% effective. As I'm sure you know, polio subsequently went from a devastating neurological illness with between 20-50,000 cases yearly in the U.S. to total elimination from the Americas. Sadly, outbreaks still occur in regions of the world that vaccination hasn't reached.

    Polio Index page Vaccination Liberation Information

    "According to VACCINES Are They Really Safe & Effective? by Neil Z. Miller,
    "From 1923 to 1953,before the Salk killed-virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47 percent and 55 percent, respectively. Source International Mortality Statistics (1981) by Michael Alderson."

    Statistical History of Vaccination


    "A case-control study has shown that 41 percent of meningitis occurred in
    children vaccinated against the disease. The vaccine's protective efficacy
    was minus 58 percent
    . This means that children are much more likely to get
    the disease if they are vaccinated
    . (JAMA, 1988, Osterholm et al., 260:
    1423-1428.) Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate
    subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the
    oral polio vaccine
    .

    "There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children
    does more harm than good
    ."

    - Dr. J. Anthony Morris, formerly Chief Vaccine
    Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin."


    INFORMED CHOICE - Polio and SV40

    "It has taken, for instance, approximately forty years for the scientific community to finally acknowledge that we have a serious problem as a result of the contamination of polio vaccines with simian virus 40 (SV40) in the late 1950s-early 1960s. There has been previous evidence of some human brain and other tumors containing this virus (32, 33), but the medical community has been slow to acknowledge a definitive link between SV40 and cancer in humans. However, two independent research teams have recently found this virus present in 43% of cases of non-Hodgkins lymphoma (34, 35). Another study found it present in 36% of brain tumors, 16% of healthy blood cell samples, and 22% of healthy semen samples (36). And strangely, SV40 has now been found to infect children (37). Considering that children of this era, are not supposed to be receiving the virus via the vaccine contamination route, this would therefore imply that SV40 is being transmitted from one human to another, in ways not previously known.

    Other simian viruses may also be contaminating the (Vero) monkey cell lines used for vaccine production. One example from the literature cites the contamination presence of SV20, which is a oncogenic simian adenovirus (38).

    Simply put, are we in a state of denial that vaccines are ultimately transmitting viruses, DNA, and proteins into humans from foreign animal sources (and possibly unhealthy human sources), and that this may be strongly contributing to the incredible upsurge in cancers and serious chronic diseases? Are these foreign animal genes altering your DNA? Furthermore, given that viral presence can sometimes take years to manifest actual disease symptoms, and then considering the tendencies of health-related agencies and corporations towards short-term solutions and profits, will we ever truly know the long-term consequences until it is too late?"


    http://thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf

    "When national immunization campaigns were initiated in the 1950s, the number of reported cases of polio following mass inoculations with the killed-virus vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations, and may have more than doubled in the U.S. as a whole. For example, Vermont reported 15 cases of polio during the one-year report period ending August 30, 1954 (before mass inoculations), compared to 55 cases of polio during the one-year period ending August 30, 1955 (after mass inoculations)Ca 266% increase. Rhode Island reported 22 cases during the before inoculations period as compared to 122 cases during the after inoculations periodCa 454% increase. In New Hampshire the figures increased from 38 to 129; in Connecticut they rose from 144 to 276; and in Massachusetts they swelled from 273 to 2027Ca whopping 642% increase (Figure 2) [26:140;29:146;42]."


    Eight Vaccination Myth's

    "According to researcher/author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases were eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of the disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk vaccine was continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at a time when there were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus. For example, cases of viral and aseptic meningitis, which have symptoms similar to polio, were routinely diagnosed and recorded as polio before
    the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from polio statistics after the vaccine
    . Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was raised from 20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis statistics was changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to symptoms lasting 60 days (many polio victims' paralysis was
    temporary)
    . It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines at least on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the U.S. between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the vaccine and most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated individuals.
    Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine. At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the Centers for Disease Control and Pre-vention, Dr. Samuel Katz of Duke University cited the estimated 8-10 annual U.S. cases of vaccine associated paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have
    taken the oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio from the western hemisphere. Jessica Scheer of the National Rehabilitation Hospital Research Center in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most parents are un-aware that polio vaccination in this country entails "a small number of human sacrifices each year." Compounding
    this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the NVIC's experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of vaccine reactions, which suggest that the actual number of VAPP "sacrifices" may be 10 to 100 times higher than that cited by the CDC. For these reasons, the live polio virus is no longer in widespread use.
    To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th century does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks in the late 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a period of years by the time the vaccine was introduced."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hos56jph View Post
    The only ones who did not get Spanish flu were the ones who declined the vaccine.

    1918 Flu Caused by Vaccines | Swine Flu Expose |

    "It has been said that the 1918 flu epidemic killed 20,000,000 people throughout the world. But, actually, the doctors killed them with their crude and deadly treatments and drugs. This is a harsh accusation but it is nevertheless true, judging by the success of the drugless doctors in comparison with that of the medical doctors."

    "When doctors had tried to suppress the symptoms of the typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid which they named paratyphoid. But when they concocted a stronger and more dangerous vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease which they didnít have a name for. What should they call it? They didnít want to tell the people what it really was ó their own Frankenstein monster which they had created with their vaccines and suppressive medicines. They wanted to direct the blame away from themselves, so they called it Spanish Influenza. It was certainly not of Spanish origin, and the Spanish people resented the implication that the world-wide scourge of that day should be blamed on them. But the name stuck and American medical doctors and vaccine makers were not suspected of the crime of this widespread devastation ó the 1918 Flu Epidemic. It is only in recent years that researchers have been digging up the facts and laying the blame where it belongs.

    Some of the soldiers may have been in Spain before coming home, but their diseases originated in their own home-based U.S. Army Camps. Our medical men still use that same dodge. When their own vaccines (required for travel) cause vaccine diseases abroad they use this as grounds for a scare campaign to stampede people into the vaccination centers. Do you remember the Hong Kong Flu and the Asian Flu and the London Flu scares? These were all medically-made epidemics mixed with the usual common colds which people have every year."


    Salicylates and Pandemic Influenza Mortality, 1918

    "In summary, just before the 1918 death spike, aspirin was recommended in regimens now known to be potentially toxic and to cause pulmonary edema and may therefore have contributed to overall pandemic mortality and several of its mysteries. Young adult mortality may be explained by willingness to use the new, recommended therapy and the presence of youth in regimented treatment settings (military). The lower mortality of children may be a result of less aspirin use. The major pediatric text [69] of 1918 recommended hydrotherapy for fever, not salicylate..."

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