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    Fruit not reintroducing well.

    So about three weeks ago I reduced fat intake a little, and protein a little, and reintroduced fruit. At first it was horrid - pain, bloating, clay poop. But it's gotten a little better. I'm back to regular programming at the porcelain (about every other day), but I have not gotten rid of the bloat. It's probably around ten pounds now, I think mostly water since my BF% has stayed almost the same while my hydration number has been rising. Has anyone made this journey? Will the bloat pass when my gut biome catches up or is this a permanent sort of intolerance?

    I've been eating one or two bananas a day, one or two apples, and at least one orange, sometimes three because they're small and I crave them like nothing else. Like, right now, I'm getting up and getting an orange. My eating patterns are completely smashed to bits because I keep just wanting one more piece of fruit. And of course I keep getting hungry, which is new.

    WTF, fruit bats?

    Also, all my apsie traits are becoming harder to control. I can't stop drumming on counter tops, etc. Feels like I'm connecting less with people, too. I'm plausibly done with fruit for awhile unless I get some really good explanations or advice.

    General diet these days:
    Different animal a day, less than a pound of meat. Some days no meat to mix things up. Bacon, fish, chicken, ground beef, duck eggs, etc. probably 750 to 1000 calories from protein and animal fat, give or take.
    Coconut milk, heated and ingested, no additives - 420 calories 1x day most days
    Avocados almost daily, apples, oranges, bananas daily.
    Canned olives at whim.
    Canned oysters probably about 2x a week
    Liver, heart, and such, bone broth on occasion (been letting my wife use it all for her GAPS effort).
    Spices and herbs, turmeric, black pepper, cinnamon, clove, etc.
    Quit coffee, drinking green tea now.
    Last edited by Knifegill; 01-08-2013 at 10:21 AM.
    Steak, eggs, potatoes - fruits, nuts, berries and forage. Coconut milk and potent herbs and spices. Tea instead of coffee now and teeny amounts of kelp daily. Let's see how this does! Not really had dairy much, and gut seems better for it.

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    Start taking a probiotic pill with all your meals or start eating Greek yogurt at the expense of meat. It likely took many months or years to destroy your gut bacteria by avoiding soluble fiber and sugars, so it'll probably take just as long to rebuild.
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    Well GAPS protocol, which is used with autism, adhd, aspergers...ect recommends simple sugars (think honey but not sugar which is a disaccharide ....fruits but not tators) as a mode of killing off the unwanted virulent bacteria of the gut that actually increase the symptoms of this condition. The kind that feed on left over not easily absorbed sugars. So you would stick to fruits and ditch any starchy items.

    I bring this up since your pounding the bananas. Bananas in the early stages are very starchy and can be feeding the wrong sort of bacteria. Very ripe bananas are OK, but if I were you I would eliminate them completely.

    In addition if its been a long while you may consider cooking your fruits a bit for a couple weeks to ease digestion.

    I would actually expect your aspie traits to do the best on your previous diet, but whats optimal for one thing may not be what your looking for. Guess thats just a choice your gonna have to make though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Well GAPS protocol, which is used with autism, adhd, aspergers...ect recommends simple sugars (think honey but not sugar which is a disaccharide ....fruits but not tators) as a mode of killing off the unwanted virulent bacteria of the gut that actually increase the symptoms of this condition. The kind that feed on left over not easily absorbed sugars. So you would stick to fruits and ditch any starchy items.

    I bring this up since your pounding the bananas. Bananas in the early stages are very starchy and can be feeding the wrong sort of bacteria. Very ripe bananas are OK, but if I were you I would eliminate them completely.

    In addition if its been a long while you may consider cooking your fruits a bit for a couple weeks to ease digestion.

    I would actually expect your aspie traits to do the best on your previous diet, but whats optimal for one thing may not be what your looking for. Guess thats just a choice your gonna have to make though.
    Me too. What was broke about your old diet that needed fixing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    Me too. What was broke about your old diet that needed fixing?
    Didn't you see his entire thread about "aging prematurely" wherein the entire thread basically screamed at him to add back in sugars and carbs RIGHT away, less he look like he belonged in a retirement home within weeks?

    Seriously, people made WAY too big of a deal of it in that thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumroll View Post
    Didn't you see his entire thread about "aging prematurely" wherein the entire thread basically screamed at him to add back in sugars and carbs RIGHT away, less he look like he belonged in a retirement home within weeks?

    Seriously, people made WAY too big of a deal of it in that thread.
    Yeah, I saw that thread in which me telling him to de-stress and get some more quantity and quality of sleep got lost in all the carb pushing.

    I'm not trying to dictate his macro ratios one way or the other here, I'm just saying that that whole issue is massively moot when you are not getting enough sleep.

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    I'd expect to be covered in boils if I ate that much of any dairy! The probiotic seems fine. It just seems odd to retune my body again, when it seemed to be running pretty well aside from my oddly aged appearance. Maybe I made the wrong call. Maybe I just needed more fat and a little less meat, and to maintain my apple-a-day and berries, etc. habit.
    Steak, eggs, potatoes - fruits, nuts, berries and forage. Coconut milk and potent herbs and spices. Tea instead of coffee now and teeny amounts of kelp daily. Let's see how this does! Not really had dairy much, and gut seems better for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifegill View Post
    I'd expect to be covered in boils if I ate that much of any dairy! The probiotic seems fine. It just seems odd to retune my body again, when it seemed to be running pretty well aside from my oddly aged appearance. Maybe I made the wrong call. Maybe I just needed more fat and a little less meat, and to maintain my apple-a-day and berries, etc. habit.
    Why? Dairy intolerance again is almost always a product of poor gut health. This is exactly why very low carbers tend to have every food sensitivity under the sun. Animal protein and fat are healthy - in appropriate quantities. We're not supposed to get 60% dietary calories from fat and 30% dietary calories from protein. We produce amylase in our saliva for a reason. We preferentially burn glucose over fatty acids for a reason. We evolved in areas where fruit and starch is plentiful and lean game meats are the norm. We didn't evolve in the arctic. when you ignore the most important macronutrient for your body - carbohydrate - your gut colonies literally die off and you run into all these intolerances because you can no longer digest food.

    Step #1: Start taking a probiotic with all your meals.
    Step #2: Start introducing small quantities of full fat fermented dairy - Greek yogurt or kefir ideally.
    Step #3: Start introducing small amounts of cheeses.

    Once you get past that part, your gut bacteria should be getting better. Supplement with soluble fiber - white potatoes, sweet potatoes, bananas, etc.
    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    We're not supposed to get 60% dietary calories from fat .....
    Somebody please break this ground shaking revelation to my body...seeing hows after food is stored for a later date, and your not eating, self cannibalization for nutrients and energy comprises just about that amount (approx. 60%) from fat. Seems to me a perfectly good reason that your diet should be made up of ratios that approximate such.

    Hey looking at your ratios looks like paleo/zone. I think crossfitters started trying that several years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Why? Dairy intolerance again is almost always a product of poor gut health. This is exactly why very low carbers tend to have every food sensitivity under the sun. Animal protein and fat are healthy - in appropriate quantities. We're not supposed to get 60% dietary calories from fat and 30% dietary calories from protein. We produce amylase in our saliva for a reason. We preferentially burn glucose over fatty acids for a reason. We evolved in areas where fruit and starch is plentiful and lean game meats are the norm. We didn't evolve in the arctic. when you ignore the most important macronutrient for your body - carbohydrate - your gut colonies literally die off and you run into all these intolerances because you can no longer digest food.

    Step #1: Start taking a probiotic with all your meals.
    Step #2: Start introducing small quantities of full fat fermented dairy - Greek yogurt or kefir ideally.
    Step #3: Start introducing small amounts of cheeses.

    Once you get past that part, your gut bacteria should be getting better. Supplement with soluble fiber - white potatoes, sweet potatoes, bananas, etc.
    As much as I loved reintroducing carbs for a while, I had to kiss them goodbye after trying everything else first. Just recently did it on Christmas day and I have a whole new gut just in that short time - not to mention many other annoyances that have improved. Despite enzymes, probiotics, you name it - nothing worked. A couple of days of nothing but meat, coconut oil and milk and limited veggies gave me my answer. Could be SIBO or something similar that I thought I'd left behind after my previous years of ketosis. I'm thinking I'll be staying here again for a while, but I guess time will tell....again. I would have tried the dairy route but am allergic to casein, have been since I was a baby. I loved the healthy carbs, but the more I ate that way, the worse my gut became, and at a faster rate.

    I loved the Perfect Health Diet for a while there (as you and I discussed). Damn guts. Back to LC. To be continued, I'm sure.

    Hope you figure it out, Knifegill. And get some sleep.
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