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    Is this solving most of my problems? (My journal)

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    I've been on paleo for almost 6 weeks and feel incredible, losing weight, becoming stronger, more energy, the whole works. I'm telling people its the best thing I've ever done in my life and it's the truth.

    About me: Male, age 34, average fitness, no significant physical health issues, but suffered from depression most of my adult life.

    I have lost a lot through this illness, and had to leave a decent career in the summer of 2010. Around this time I started experimenting with diet and increased my use of and intake of fresh produce. I also began to read this site and subscribed. I continued however to be a sugar binger until last month when I finally managed to give it up. Incredibly within a week I was reading about hypoglycemia, how it causes depression, and realising that I fit the profile like a glove.

    Within 48 hours of eating no sugar, I was feeling great and interacting with people in a more healthy way. It was commented on straight away. Since then I've also cut out grains, most dairy and legumes.

    I am simply going from strength to strength. Not only have I not been depressed since the end of November, this has been the happiest 6 weeks of my life, and I am unemployed and without any significant funds, it just doesn't really matter at the moment because of how powerful and wonderful this experience is.

    Until I gave up sugar, I simply did not have a body clock. It was probably the single most debilitating element of being depressed, it stops you from being able to function and to contribute to society and pull your weight in any way. Looking back I don't know how I managed to get through the last 11 years of employment. I didn't realise at the time just how hard my life was because I had never known any different. It's only now that I am tired at the appropriate time, and awake and some sort of reasonable hour in the morning, if I need to be. I always thought, even personally, that I was just a naturally lazy person. In fact just typing about this problem touches a nerve in me - the amount of difficulty I've had in my life through this - knowing that I couldn't be relied upon to be awake and alert at any given time, knowing that I might not be physically able to get out of bed on occasion. Its like I've awoken from a bad dream of 20 years. That may sound dramatic, but I am being fully honest. This new way of eating and living is the greatest gift I've ever been given. I am eternally grateful.

    I've worked out that the best route for me is to include natural carbs, in my case mainly potatoes and fruit, including bananas. It's probably slowed the weight loss, but I'm still losing body fat, and the carbs enable me to be more active, and function in the afternoon if I've done a morning walk, which I was struggling with initially. I feel however that I am already reducing my reliance on them, I rarely eat potato now and only eat a lot of fruit if I am active. Other than that I no longer need it.

    Other benefits I didn't expect to have but have been able to welcome into my life:


    Socialising - I am more relaxed in other peoples' company, able to have spontaneous conversation, less concerned about outcomes with people.

    Decision making - I am more decisive now. I used to mull over things and then just do nothing.

    Appearance - Losing weight and eating powerfully nutritious food, I already look much better

    Energy - I am keen to get stuff done during the day, explore my interests and attend to things that need sorting out.

    Concentration - I have some now, for the first time since I was about 23. I am absorbing as much information about this lifestyle that I can get my hands on. I'm marinating in it, much like one of my steaks.

    Positive Attitude
    - Without even trying, I am more positive about just about every aspect of my life

    Habits - I look after myself and my belongings better, I am practically never sat in front of the TV, I only do constructive stuff on the internet (mainly reading more and more about this wonderful lifestyle)

    Dating...? - I have to include this one. Women are noticing me more, are more keen to interact with me. To be honest, I'm more keen to interact with them too!

    If you'd have asked me three years ago which was more important between what I do for a living and what I eat, I would have said the former. Now I most definitely know it's the latter. This is what, in my opinion, millions of people in our society could benefit from learning. It could change everything for the better.
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    Into week 12 now, don't feel the need to keep much of a journal, I'm pretty much 95-98% paleo every week. The improvements continue - better health and energy all the time, weight loss continues. I think I still have 25 pounds or so to get to my ideal weight, and the closer I get to this weight, I know that the weight loss will slow down unless i train harder, but it feels great just walking around and being this much lighter. I don't honestly much care how long it takes to hit my ideal weight - the journey has become as enjoyable as I imagine the goal will be. Waking up every day and then remembering, 'hey, I'm slim, happy and physically strong in a way I've never been in my life, bring on the world' does not get old. I used to wake up thinking 'I don't know how much more of this life I can take', and sometimes I would stay right where I laid in bed, through being totally clinically depressed.

    I'm sat here in my 32inch jeans feeling pretty much as happy and healthy as I ever have in my life. Sometimes I mull over what might have happened if I'd discovered this maybe 10 years ago, age 24 instead of age 34, but hey I don't mull over it that much, overall just totally happy to have discovered this way of life as young as I am now. I am a 100% convert and will never look back. It came during what has been the most difficult period of my life in terms of personal challenges and situations and it has been totally life-changing. I don't know where I am going to go in life but I know that with this as my guiding principal, it can only get better. I am looking forward to getting, shall we say, older, for the first time since I hit 30 because now I know that I can carry around a bit more wisdom and knowledge but in a body that is still a good place to be.

    If anyone reads this who is not yet embracing this way of eating, I urge you to do it now. It's everything I could have hoped it would be and more, and I've never been able to say that about anything in my life before. Mother nature is without any doubt the most powerful force we have at our disposal in terms of becoming healthier, happier, fitter and generally the best version of ourselves that we will ever be. Read this website, listen to what people including Mark Sisson are saying and flood your system with the right proteins, fats, vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals, and the unprocessed, unadulterated photosynthesised energy of the sun from vegetables and fruits and you will never look back, I will stake my life on it.

    Or maybe I should say, I will steak my life on it.

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    So very glad it is working. Depression is a bitch. I have had that struggle myself, so I can sympathize. Journal here sometimes, anyway - the more people who tell their arc in life and how Primal/paleo helps, the better. You sound so very happy right now, and I am sure you deserve it!
    I have a mantra that I have spouted for years... "If I eat right, I feel right. If I feel right, I exercise right. If I exercise right, I think right. If I think right, I eat right..." Phil-SC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    If you'd have asked me three years ago which was more important between what I do for a living and what I eat, I would have said the former. Now I most definitely know it's the latter. This is what, in my opinion, millions of people in our society could benefit from learning. It could change everything for the better.
    Fascinating conclusion Owen.

    Congratulations on all your health improvements. Grok on.

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    Hello this is a belated thanks to the people who replied to my posts, I didn't realise you had replied thanks for your nice comments.

    When I started this I was 6 weeks in and still on a high from the initial weight loss and change in general mood and quality of life, I'm coming up to 6 months in now, and everything I wrote still applies. I've had a couple of wobbles which have only served to underline the effectiveness of this way of eating. In particular I recently went on a reunion weekend and drank a lot of alchohol and was shocked at how this threw me off in terms of my body clock and energy levels for a few days, making me realise how much damage my old drinking habits whilst a student must have been to me, as someone who was susceptible to depression at the time.

    I have had virtually no recurrence of the depression since I started eating primally and my standard of living has continued to improve, albeit more graually now I'm past the initial stage.

    Reading my journal from three months ago on here it has reminded me of where I've come from and how far I've been able to improve everything with primal eating.

    In month 4 I took a barbell I had out of the the cellar and have been using it occaisonally to start building up a more muscular frame, combined with pull -ups and occasional other excerises. Wheras this type of thing would always have been a chore before, it actually feels good to do it now, as though my muscles are expecting to have to do this.

    Going back to the depression issue, I feel as though I ought to do something to promote this diet amongst support groups somewhere, but I've already noticed how this can be a struggle, to quote someone on here 'no-one wants to be bludgeoned by a zealot' so at the moment I am just trying to think of a way I can take this to other people who might be in the same place that I was. Not sure how to do it really....
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    So im new to this and I think that it would be a great idea to introduce this to people who have depression somehow . I have had daily apple on my home screen for a while just dipping in and out and after downloading the app today there is no stopping me as I have had enough of my ups and downs and failing . So im praying it works for me like it has for others and I want to say well done for getting so far !

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    Hi thanks and glad you agree with me. Not sure how far into this primal eating you are, but I hope you find the way that works for you. You won't look back.

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    Quick journal entry - I have recently experimented by eating rice crispies for breakfast twice in the last 48 hours. It absolutely doesn't work. I've felt sluggish and lethargic most of today, having feelings similar to those I used to get prior to PB - lethargy, irritable. I can't say for sure if this is due to the milk or the rice crispies, but either way - thats been binned. Back to bananas or bacon and eggs for breakfast. Fruit for breakfast works well for me, as does protein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    Going back to the depression issue, I feel as though I ought to do something to promote this diet amongst support groups somewhere, but I've already noticed how this can be a struggle, to quote someone on here 'no-one wants to be bludgeoned by a zealot' so at the moment I am just trying to think of a way I can take this to other people who might be in the same place that I was. Not sure how to do it really....
    Hey Owen, your journal title drew me in and I just wanted to say hi. I very much relate to this segment! 5 or 6 years ago, I came across a Yahoo group about getting people off psychotropic drugs and on natural alternatives through lifestyle & diet changes. I forget what happened exactly, but I didn't follow their instructions to the letter and there was a lot of backlash from the community. This turned me off to the idea that lifstyle or diet could ever help my depression, though the SSRI's were certainly not helping. Years later, I found paleo, gave it a shot and lots of things improved, but I am not "cured". I still experience depression and anxiety to a somewhat debilitating degree if I do not take certain amino acids. I feel great with them, however. Maybe someday, food and exercise alone will be enough.

    Long story short, it's a delicate balance finding the way to communicate these kinds of changes to people. Some people are desperate for any change, some people don't have the energy/motivation to try or have lost hope. I just talk about how I feel without trying to push anything, unless someone asks. I write about my progress in my blog occasionally and talk about it to my friends a lot. I think being a great example and being willing to share your experiences with other people is really the best way you can get the information out there.
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    Currently trying to figure out WTF to eat (for IBS-C).

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    Hi Nameless,

    Good to make contact with you I've previously read some of your blog. Am interested to know, what amino acids do you take? I'm only familiar with amino acids insofar as its what protein is made of - is there also a separate supplement?

    Obviously for me, the move to PB meant an increase in protein, and it has done wonders. I'd not be averse to taking other amino acids if it increased my recovery rate.

    Have you found any particular food that brings back the depression? I've found the main ones to be refined sugar, and alcohol. There are a couple of things that used to happen to me before I went PB, which return temporarily if I eat sugar or have alcohol. The first is that, as I'm falling asleep, I will suddenly wake up with a racing heartbeat. This could happen a few times in any night. The other is that I'd wake up in the morning with an immediate onset of negative thoughts, before I've barely opened my eyes. This comes back if I've had sugar and/or more than a few units of alcohol the day before.

    I can see where you're coming from with the comments on trying to advise people, even if they listen to you they might only dip their toe in, so to speak, and clearly, getting uppity with people who don't follow your instructions, which seems to be what the people on the Yahoo forum did, is not the way forward.

    We do have some charities getting good press in the UK now - 'Mind' and also a campaign called 'Time to change' which aims to to bring the subject of mental illness more into mainstream debate for it to be treated just like any other illness - following the increase in the amount of people in the UK (and in the western countries generally I believe) that are being diagnosed with depression. There is more awareness about it as more people are having it in their lives.

    There has been a TV programme airing in the last two years called 'The Food Hospital', where a team of three clinicians aim to treat various patients purely through the use of dietary advice. One person who featured in it was a woman who had clinical depression, who was sent away to eat a diet of healthy fresh fish, vegetables, rice, and little else. She came back a few weeks later transformed, both looking visibly better and saying she felt completely different. It was a powerful message to be sending out on national TV, but more than anything I was struck by the fact that none of the charities campaigning to help such people ever seem to throw the spotlight on the issue of nutrition. This one short TV segment, illuminating though it was, is not enough. That's where I wonder whether something can be done, by people like us, to help others.

    On a scale of 1 to 10, since I went primal 6.5 months ago, I would say my recovery is between 8 and 9 out of 10. I still get some down days, I still have negative thought patterns and anxieties. I'm now stronger than ever, and I've probably got many years ahead of me where I can gradually fine tune this. We all get anxious from time to time, in fact I am having to get used to the fact that sometimes my negative thoughts are appropriate for the situation. After all, negative emotions are there for a reason, its just that a depressed person is never without them so cannot make use of them when they are actually meant to be there. I'm now living with the consequences of having been ill for a long time. That means I have to rebuild my life one day at a time. I experience new more positive thought patterns all the time. I'm gradually being able to evaluate things around me in different ways to how I used to, but the isolation that the depression caused is still here in some ways, insofar as the social networks I had dwindled as I became more ill. I have a hill to climb in terms of becoming a more social person again, but there have been some very good developments in this area. I no longer fear social interaction, but I do pick and choose how it happens now, and am mindful that, as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.
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