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    Why do so many folks not Vaccinate their kids?

    Heya, I have seen this a lot of late and I have to wonder why? Seems to me giving your kids protection from diseases is a good thing. My dad had polio as a kid and no way do I want to risk that with the kids.

    I have heard that vaccinations cause Autism, which everything I have read says is a load of bulldookey.

    My question is why would you not vaccinate your halflings?
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    I find this topic interesting and a bit infuriating as well. I think people who do not vaccinate their children are being irresponsible to the rest of society. Grrr.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by palebluedots View Post
    I find this topic interesting and a bit infuriating as well. I think people who do not vaccinate their children are being irresponsible to the rest of society. Grrr.....
    Walk in my shoes for a few weeks before you make such sweeping statements. I am not telling you to not vaccinate your children, but I am telling you I am not going to vaccinate mine anymore because of my experience with vaccines. Vaccines are known to damage. There is an entire Vaccine Injury Compensation Program run by the government to dole out money to those injured by vaccines. We need to get smart about how and who we vaccinate.

    I know quite a few people/children who cannot be vaccinated for certain diseases due to egg allergy, bakers yeast allergy, gelatin allergy or thimerosal allergy or that have had a negative reaction to a vaccine in the past and have been advised (by doctors, mind you) not to be given that vaccine again. Are they irresponsible?

    I find it interesting that people who spend so much time and effort analyzing what they eat and how they eat it are so averse to believing there might be a problem with injecting foreign matter into our babies or even our own bodies. Just sayin'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by palebluedots View Post
    I find this topic interesting and a bit infuriating as well. I think people who do not vaccinate their children are being irresponsible to the rest of society. Grrr.....
    Why? I've seen this same argument from people who argue everyone should get a flu shot. If you believe in flu shots, YOU get one. Then you're protected...or at least you believe you are. In my case, flu shots make me terribly sick and I won't get another one again in my lifetime. Oddly I never get sick when I don't get a flu shot, I always get sick if I do.

    As to children- parents may be putting their own child at risk, but not other children, assuming those of you who ardently believe in vaccinations continue to vaccinate. Isn't that the whole point of vaccinations anyway? But when you read the stories (and there are a LOT of them) such as the one just below your post with the family whose child began displaying symptoms of autism only after vaccination, I truly believe it should be up to the parents. What if we really are causing children to develop autism by immunizing too early??? That can't be worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palebluedots View Post
    I find this topic interesting and a bit infuriating as well. I think people who do not vaccinate their children are being irresponsible to the rest of society. Grrr.....
    Here is the thing, I have no responsibility to the rest of society. I am however responsible for my child; I will never put "the rest of society" ahead of what is best for him. After much debate and research we decided to go with a limited and delayed vaccination schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsAreGrok View Post
    Here is the thing, I have no responsibility to the rest of society. I am however responsible for my child; I will never put "the rest of society" ahead of what is best for him.
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    After much debate and research we decided to go with a limited and delayed vaccination schedule.
    Hear hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warmbear View Post
    Heya, I have seen this a lot of late and I have to wonder why? Seems to me giving your kids protection from diseases is a good thing. My dad had polio as a kid and no way do I want to risk that with the kids.

    I have heard that vaccinations cause Autism, which everything I have read says is a load of bulldookey.

    My question is why would you not vaccinate your halflings?
    I have a child with regressive Autism. He was born seemingly fine. Baby book has entries like "My most social child" and "What a happy, healthy baby boy."

    About 1 week after his 6 month shots he stopped rolling from his back to his belly. Stuck like a turtle, and didn't relearn (with difficulty) until close to a year old. He also developed fairly significant reflux during this time.

    About a week after his 12 month shots he stopped learning new words. He was an early talker. At 10 months he used his first word appropriatetly: "off" when playing with a lamp switch. His language then turned into learning a new word but dropping the other word he had just learned.

    He then had his 15 month shots late and his 18 month shots early due to an illness and travel plans. Within 3 weeks he was 'gone'. We thought he had lost his hearing. We spent his second Christmas piling his presents around him without any response.

    Now, all of this is purely anecdotal, but either this disorder has an eerie pattern of developing at the same time vaccines are given or vaccines play a role. I believe the latter. We never got the horrible fevers and high pitched screaming that some report after the shots; just a sinister quiet removal of skills that doctors lovingly refer to as 'soft neurological signs'. I think some people have a genetic make-up or pre-existing exposure to chemicals/toxins that put them at risk of developing neurological problems from the ingredients in vaccines or that they have an inappropriate immune response. Families with a history of auto-immune disorders have a higher incidence of children on the spectrum.

    Some children seem to be born with Autism. More and more, we are seeing children like mine that are 'taken' later in their toddler years.

    Vaccinating is still a personal family decision. My husband is an MD and is forcing the issue to vaccinate my kids after 10 years of not doing so. It is causing a huge rift in my marriage. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But, in the meantime, my now almost 12 year old son on the spectrum has made tremendous strides and my older two are happy and healthy and have not contracted a single disease for which they were supposed to have been vaccinated. Luckily, I live in a state that allows a philosophical exemption from mandated shots. For me it is just as easy as signing a waiver.

    I don't know if it is actually true, but I believe the only incidence of polio in the US for years has been contracting it from the vaccine itself.

    My last rant: how in the hell can we expect someone with an immature immune system (infants) to have an appropriate immune response to a vaccine? Let's go back to the old vaccine schedule and not vaccinate until children are 2 years old unless there is real risk due to environment or parent lifestyle. And then let's space them out several months at a time and NOT use the magic 5 combo vaccines. There is no science behind combining vaccines and also no science behind the current vaccine schedule. It is purely based on the fact that doctors know we bring our kids in regularly as infants to watch them grow and they vaccinate then out of convenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHaselow View Post
    I have a child with regressive Autism. He was born seemingly fine. Baby book has entries like "My most social child" and "What a happy, healthy baby boy."

    About 1 week after his 6 month shots he stopped rolling from his back to his belly. Stuck like a turtle, and didn't relearn (with difficulty) until close to a year old. He also developed fairly significant reflux during this time.

    About a week after his 12 month shots he stopped learning new words. He was an early talker. At 10 months he used his first word appropriatetly: "off" when playing with a lamp switch. His language then turned into learning a new word but dropping the other word he had just learned.

    He then had his 15 month shots late and his 18 month shots early due to an illness and travel plans. Within 3 weeks he was 'gone'. We thought he had lost his hearing. We spent his second Christmas piling his presents around him without any response.

    Now, all of this is purely anecdotal, but either this disorder has an eerie pattern of developing at the same time vaccines are given or vaccines play a role. I believe the latter. We never got the horrible fevers and high pitched screaming that some report after the shots; just a sinister quiet removal of skills that doctors lovingly refer to as 'soft neurological signs'. I think some people have a genetic make-up or pre-existing exposure to chemicals/toxins that put them at risk of developing neurological problems from the ingredients in vaccines or that they have an inappropriate immune response. Families with a history of auto-immune disorders have a higher incidence of children on the spectrum.

    Some children seem to be born with Autism. More and more, we are seeing children like mine that are 'taken' later in their toddler years.

    Vaccinating is still a personal family decision. My husband is an MD and is forcing the issue to vaccinate my kids after 10 years of not doing so. It is causing a huge rift in my marriage. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But, in the meantime, my now almost 12 year old son on the spectrum has made tremendous strides and my older two are happy and healthy and have not contracted a single disease for which they were supposed to have been vaccinated. Luckily, I live in a state that allows a philosophical exemption from mandated shots. For me it is just as easy as signing a waiver.

    I don't know if it is actually true, but I believe the only incidence of polio in the US for years has been contracting it from the vaccine itself.

    My last rant: how in the hell can we expect someone with an immature immune system (infants) to have an appropriate immune response to a vaccine? Let's go back to the old vaccine schedule and not vaccinate until children are 2 years old unless there is real risk due to environment or parent lifestyle. And then let's space them out several months at a time and NOT use the magic 5 combo vaccines. There is no science behind combining vaccines and also no science behind the current vaccine schedule. It is purely based on the fact that doctors know we bring our kids in regularly as infants to watch them grow and they vaccinate then out of convenience.
    It's your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate your child, but what infuriates ME is when people blame their own troubles ("my child has autism!") on the actions of a well meaning doctor or something we do not fully understand yet.

    As someone who lives on the spectrum myself, and has constant daily battles with the issues relating to my diagnoses, I know how you must be suffering and struggling just to help your child along. I know. I deal with these issues myself. I'd never wish them on someone else in a million years.

    But are you TRYING to teach your child to blame their problems on society? So, every time he has an issue or difficulty, society is to blame for causing it or not helping him solve it?

    I'm not discrediting the possibility that vaccines caused his issues, they might have. But I think it's a bad message to send when you tell them "the vaccines your doctor gave you made you who you are." You teach them to blame society and never take any responsibility for themselves and their own actions. You teach them to respond with things like "oh, it's ok, vaccines made me this way, society is at fault, not me."

    As someone growing up on the spectrum let me tell you right now that there are three things your child needs more than anything else to be able to make sense of the world around him:

    1) Your undying love and support. They do not need to mistakenly think "oh, I was normal until the vaccines. And then I started causing mommy trouble." As an autistic child, he is more likely to make this assumption through the misinterpretation of your intent.

    2) He needs to be taught to take responsibility for his actions. He needs to realize that autistic or not, if he does something inappropriate or wrong, he still has to pay the consequences. He can't always blame his issues on other people or society. And what do you think telling him "your doctor made you who you are," is going to teach him? To blame others and never take responsibility.

    3) He needs a strong support network. But if you've a) made him think he's causing you trouble ("I was normal and easy until that DAY that I became different and difficult") and b) to blame society for his actions and issues and not himself, he will never learn to cultivate the trust he needs to build the support networks he will need as he grows older.

    I've been through all of these issues and they're not easy to come to grips with. But you will have to decide how best to navigate them with your own child and I urge you, for his sake, to focus on HIM and not the "evil society/medical establishment/doctors" or whatever "gave him these issues." He NEEDS to know that, in reality, there is nothing wrong with him! Concentrating on what "gave" him his autism puts the emphasis on there being a real problem with him and he will constantly question himself and never build true confidence.

    I recommend, if you really want to do the best for your child you put the focus back on him and not on blaming society for making him what he is. Read up on neurodiversity, the genetic link to autism, and I'd encourage you to reach out to the good people at the Autistic Self Advocacy Network, which is non-profit founded for and by people with autism in order that they may protect their rights, spread information about neurodiversity, and shed the constant fears and blatant ableism that surrounds autism and constantly holds us back.

    Here's a link if you're interested: Autistic Self Advocacy Network | Nothing About Us Without Us

    [By the way, I personally know the organization's founder, he's one of the greatest autistic people I know, and I have nothing but respect for him. If he's not proof that an autistic person can be successful in life and doesn't need to be "cured" to live happily and successfully, then... There's no hope for this world and especially not for autistic people.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumroll View Post
    It's your decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate your child, but what infuriates ME is when people blame their own troubles ("my child has autism!") on the actions of a well meaning doctor or something we do not fully understand yet.
    To be specific, no one is blaming doctors or "society." Instead, this person believes that her child was injured by a vaccine.

    Likewise, when a person gets another kind of injury from a vaccine, we are not blaming the doctor or society. We blame the vaccine. The same is true if the medicine a person takes causes an injury.

    And once we know, we can act accordingly. This mother chose to no longer vaccinate her children. I think it's a reasonable response.

    I'm not discrediting the possibility that vaccines caused his issues, they might have. But I think it's a bad message to send when you tell them "the vaccines your doctor gave you made you who you are." You teach them to blame society and never take any responsibility for themselves and their own actions. You teach them to respond with things like "oh, it's ok, vaccines made me this way, society is at fault, not me."
    The vaccine and society are separate.

    Vaccines (may have) caused the injury. No big deal. You take that in stride. If an automobile accident took the child's leg, we wouldn't say that it's "blaming society" because most everyone drives automobiles. We'd just get on with life with one leg, wouldn't we?

    1) Your undying love and support. They do not need to mistakenly think "oh, I was normal until the vaccines. And then I started causing mommy trouble." As an autistic child, he is more likely to make this assumption through the misinterpretation of your intent.

    2) He needs to be taught to take responsibility for his actions. He needs to realize that autistic or not, if he does something inappropriate or wrong, he still has to pay the consequences. He can't always blame his issues on other people or society. And what do you think telling him "your doctor made you who you are," is going to teach him? To blame others and never take responsibility.

    3) He needs a strong support network. But if you've a) made him think he's causing you trouble ("I was normal and easy until that DAY that I became different and difficult") and b) to blame society for his actions and issues and not himself, he will never learn to cultivate the trust he needs to build the support networks he will need as he grows older.
    Where in her statements does it say that she isn't doing these things?

    You are making a really weird inference/logical leap that I cannot follow.

    To me, it doesn't follow "vaccines caused injury/autism, therefore it was a big problem for mommy" or "vaccines caused injury, therefore you are not responsible for the consequences of your actions" or "vaccines caused injury, therefore there's no support network."

    Truly, I can see whatever anger or frustration you may have, but I do not see the connection to it and/or vaccines.

    I've been through all of these issues and they're not easy to come to grips with. But you will have to decide how best to navigate them with your own child and I urge you, for his sake, to focus on HIM and not the "evil society/medical establishment/doctors" or whatever "gave him these issues." He NEEDS to know that, in reality, there is nothing wrong with him! Concentrating on what "gave" him his autism puts the emphasis on there being a real problem with him and he will constantly question himself and never build true confidence.
    Ok, I see this one.

    But the reality is context. This is a forum thread wherein a mother is justifying her reasons for choosing not to vaccinate her children and/or not to continue to vaccinate her children. Her reasoning is valid: I believe that vaccines injured my child, causing his autism.

    That is the whole of the statement. The rest of this is just your conjecture of "what that means!" in his life. My guess is that she is a loving parent, providing everything that you advocate, and not at all "focused on the injury/cause" or what have you, thereby leaving the poor child as a lump.

    As she asserted, he is a happy, healthy 12 yr old now. She's well connected with how to care for this child -- her child -- and it is naturally difficult for her as it is for her child. But, that doesn't mean it's not without triumphs and joys and all the wonderful good.

    Most people whom I know hwo have children on the spectrum are extremely versed in all of these materials and groups. Since I have so many friends with children on the spectrum -- even I am familiar with them.

    It's a massive logical leap to assume htat the mother here is 'focusing on blame' as opposed to getting on with her life and enjoying her child and helping him to grow into a confident, healthy person.

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