Ripped, what I said in my posting is not that controversial and there are plenty of science, anecdotical evidence and common sense to back it up, but I have no time to go into this now...
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
But I would argue that while it may be more difficult, it isn't as much as people think, and it isn't impossible. That's the loser mindset. If you don't try you won't know.
And as I already mentioned, assuming you are correct, it doesn't change the fundamental requirements to achieving such a goal.
With that being said, and in response to the initial question on the thread, I don't think there is anything magical about Lyle's recommendations. It's all about calories. That doesn't mean that such workouts can't help, because they can. However, one could easily replace those sessions with something fun such as hiking or sex, and that'd do the same exact thing.
That's modern marketing for you. It's famous for brainwashing people into dogmatically and irrationally putting magic where it doesn't belong. It's all to make a buck. And it works. It really is amazing how such marketing can spread memes like the black plague.
I know Clarence Bass doesn't get down to 3% anymore and hasn't in decades since his bodybuilding years. He actually maintains less than 10% all year long and gets down to around 5% for his photos. He has been sick and gotten at least one operation that I know of, and he's quite fine.
So, I totally agree with you. But you actually can go a lot lower than what most people think. The numbers are there and as far as I know it, there's no reason why being lean would have any harm. Even being as low as 10% body fat would still give you enough fat to last you if you were sick in a hospital and in a coma for a month. (Do the calculations.) And even if it wasn't, the doctors would still feed you anyways, so you'd have nothing to worry about.
I live in the Philippines where most jobs are minimum wage or slightly over, which is only 275 php per day, which equates to about 6$ per day. Can you get fat with such little pay? Have fun trying, if you can even have enough food. Look up the obesity rate by country, and you probably won't even find philippines on the list, because I VERY rarely see fat people out here, it's almost a nonexistent phenomenon, unless you've got more money which most people don't.
Most people out here are small anyways. The culture is different. Most women are less than 45 kg and think they're fat if they get any heavier. The guys tend to be a bit heavier such as 55 kg. Some richer people or drinkers are fatter with a belly. Most construction workers are ripped. A good portion of the bodybuilders are ripped as well. And when I asked them how they did it, they said just by diet.
So are most people out here ripped? NO! Most people are healthily lean. But seeing ripped people isn't uncommon.
When I did construction work as a teenager, in the USA, I regularly maintained a reasonably lean 170 lb body, all while eating what ever I wanted. 4 meals per day, burgers, fries, sugary drinks, etc.. It was A LOT of calories!!! What do you think would happen to a construction worker who could only afford fish and rice?
If you REALLY want to go around calling people liars, please do your homework fist.
Last edited by Ripped; 09-09-2013 at 05:04 AM.
A quick googling shows the Philippines have an average BMI of 22.9. Couldn't find any quick data on their measured BF though. But thats not really here nor there with regards to the original posting and what we were discussing.
Last edited by Neckhammer; 09-09-2013 at 09:18 AM.
Sorry to interrupt ... but 3% BF, would that be ... the brain matter ?