My Personal Pros/Cons/Nons:
-Some weight loss
-Able to enjoy simple, quality foods
-More willing to try new foods
-Able to handle not eating for several hours
-Increase in hair loss the in shower
-Increase in visible wrinkles
-New issues with menorrhea (never had a problem with regularity before primal)
-Increase in binging activity (I'm working on that though, and I think it's a personal problem I've simply ignored in the past. Primal has made me more aware of it)
-Developed an unhealthy relationship with food and constant stress over what I was eating. I'm working on getting over that and doing what it manageable for me, but it was a hard couple of months of eating-disorder behavior for a while.
-Constant analysis of weight and diet by others. Seriously, why does weight loss give others the right to critique your body and eating habits? It's like if you lose weight, then you are automatically damaging your body and health. Never mind actually looking at what I eat and the fact that I should be losing weight because I'm an unhealthy size! So ridiculous. Where do people get off telling me I should stop losing weight and eating weird? I'm still slightly overweight, and they should mind their own dang business. Ok, rant over. Sorry. I just hate that. You do your thing and I'll do mine, OK?
-No change in sleep patterns or amount of sleep
-No change in how often I get sick (it's still never though, my immune system has always been pretty tough)
-No change in energy level
-Basically if I didn't mention it in either list, it didn't change.
As you can see, my results have been more mixed then others. However, I do fiercely believe in the policy of eating natural foods and balancing meat and veg. It was a while before I understood that not everyone on this forum is a completely reliable source of information, and that what some preach as perfect does not work for others. Took me a long time to learn that, but I'm making progress. Sifting through all of the info out there and deciding what makes sense and works for you personally is key, I think. I'm still tweaking my own eating habits, and I learn something new every day. But I think primal is a wonderful place to start.
Last edited by fresa; 12-24-2012 at 09:13 AM.
Reason: repeated myself like a numbskull
Got it, thanks. So I guess where we were different is that although I experimented with a couple of dips into VLC, I was primarily low to medium carb (75 to 125 gms/day) and as a result did not experience the basically straight protein and fat diet. I couldn't have done the VLC-Straight carnivore thing either, but based on my research that approach does not simulate the current understanding of a paleolithic diet (latest research I've seen indicates paleolithic diets averaged 35% of calories in fat, 35% in carbohydrates and 30% in protein - with seasonal variations). What is your typical diet like now?
Originally Posted by Zach
Last edited by canuck416; 12-23-2012 at 11:18 PM.
THat's really interesting... And I imagine it would even apply to different families within tribes / societies - depending on what their role was, they probably would have eaten slightly different foods.
Originally Posted by Neckhammer
I actually just got a DNA test done, which will tell me exactly what illnesses I'm predisposed to, and what diet I should be on to work with that.
Thanks for posting that info Canuck - it was well put. In relation to my own personal diet - I don;t count macros or calories, but I'm currently veering towards a bit of everything: starch, fruit, dairy, meat, fat, and a tiny bit of sugar. Not Paleo as per your definition but I like the forum here
Originally Posted by canuck416
Do you think "metabolic typing" tests like this can be used then?
Originally Posted by YogaBare
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What on earth?! Take a walk on the wild side.
It agrees with my philosophy Ė one which took years of reading and living to create. An emphasis on non-polluted foods, especially meat, fruit, and veggies. A de-emphasis on grains, beans, and other foods only necessary in high quantities in parts of the world where people are starving.
A lower carb approach as compared with SAD. Not necessarily VLC or living in ketosis, but also not consuming 60% of oneís food as carbs.
Introducing some fat back into oneís diet. My hair looks better.
A broad approach. Sunlight, exercise, sleep, etc.
A simple logical approach. Though some people try to make it difficult, itís not rocket science: stop eating processed shit and start eating real food. If youíre not a farmer, 90% of your grocery shopping should come from the outer part of the store (produce, meat, fish, cheese, etc.), and rarely from the aisles where food comes in boxes, bags, plastic bottles, and cans.
Confirmation that eating one meal a day doesnít make one a freakazoid. Even got a fancy name for it: intermittent fasting.
Emphasis on eating fat. Since many here come to lose weight, I think the emphasis on fat can cause too much failure. In with this is the idea (which is starting to turn), telling someone (especially someone overweight) that they can eat as much as they want doesnít address the emotional component of eating from an overweight personís perspective. (Note: eventually people do end up reading Markís post on why weight loss isnít happening, and eating too much is mentioned there.)
Not enough emphasis on the differences between the physiology of men and women. Also, on the differences between the physiology of obese people and that of healthy weight people. Iím not going to be sad if I never do a pull-up. Why? Because as a woman, my upper body strength is less than that of a man, and my weight is distributed lower on my body. Kudos to those that do it, but Iím not going to sweat it. OTOH, I should be able to beat out a man of my weight on a leg press machine.
The obsession (not Markís, but some postersí) with every macro, vitamin, etc., they put in.
The attraction the forum has for sugar trolls.
Nons: I was feeling pretty good anyway, so my health is about the same, though that is observational as I havenít had blood work done in years. I sleep a little bit more, but not because Iíve been able to sleep eight hours in one stretch, but because I take naps.
"Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine
Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.
I don't see any cons once you understand it. The initial expense is paid back by better health. Sure it can be a social bummer but any restriction is.
Yes i think that gradually replacing carbs with fat/pro exacerbated the problem but even from the very beginning i was having inflammation and joint problems that i never had on my previous SAD diet. And these problems didnt go away until i completely dumped most aspects of what makes a paleo diet paleo and reverted to a cleaned up version of SAD.
Originally Posted by canuck416
My daily diet now looks like this..
dairy from milk, cheese, butter, some yogart.
Fruit from fruit, fruit juice and dried fruit, jams, veggie fruits like tomatos
Wheat, white refined, mostly bread, bagels, pizza crust.
Weekly: 3-5 days
Meat, red meat mostly, fish and pork occasionally
Beans, black, pinto, peas
Starches, potatoes all kinds, corn and corn flour, carrots
Sugar products, granulated sugar, maple sugar, honey, molasses
Avoid almost entirely
all other grains
Meats like chicken/turkey, seafood
processed foods like pop tarts, bagel bits, etc anything in a box, can or bag.
Chemicals, corn/soy derivatives, gums, fillers, etc.
Macros i would guess to be about 50-60% Cho, 10-20% Pro, 20-30% Fat. Almost all my food is organic, pastured, breads contain only a few ingredients. So while from a paleo perspective my diet looks pretty bad, its actually much healthier for me then anything else i have done in the past. Im different from most however that start paleo. I was young and already in good shape. I used paleo to get sub 10% bf and hoped to build muscle but it ended up crippling me.
The pros for me are numerous.
The biggest con for me is the opinionated advice given by those who think that their version, ie; very low carb, is the best approach for everyone.
12-24-2012, 09:28 AM
Interesting, thanks for posting. My responses indicated that I was what they call a "balanced oxidizer". I think the questionaire needs some fine tuning as I often felt my responses would have been inbetween some of the options. But it may well be useful in helping someone understand their personal experience with a Paleo styled diet. Here is the feedback I received:
Originally Posted by ToldUzo
"You are a Balanced Oxidiser of carbohydrates.
As a balanced-oxidizer, you can eat a diet which is somewhere in between those of fast and slow-oxidizers.
You can go with a mix of proteins, fats and carbohydrate diet. There is no need to strictly restrict your carbohydrate intake"