Dumb argument with my friend... Thoughts?
So, this is tangentially nutrition related, and I wanted to get your opinions.
I went out for pho With a friend of mine today and apparently I offended him greatly with my order.
He's Vietnamese tried and true, and this DOES relate to our argument.
I was remembering Mark's recent post on whether or not pho is primal. He said he orders his with reduced noodles and several people commented that they order theirs without noodles at all, and with extra veggies and meat. I decided to ask the waitress to hold the noodles and put extra meat and veggies in it. She said that was fine.
When the waitress had left my friend turned to me and said "We're at a pho restaurant and you didn't order pho. Are you stupid?"
"How did I not order pho? We both have great bowls of soup coming. I just got mine sans noodles."
"Pho means 'noodle broth' dude. Without noodles it's no longer pho."
"What? How so?"
"God man, I'm so embarrassed. I take my friend out for pho and he doesn't order pho. Way to make the Vietnamese guy look like an idiot. I can't ever have pho with you again. Ugh, why do you have to offend my culture like that?"
So, uh, I'm still not sure why he made such a big deal out of it. Yeesh. He was really pissed at me.
Do the noodles REALLY define what pho is? Does a lack of noodles mean that it immediately ceases to be pho (since the word TECHNICALLY means "noodle broth"), or am I missing something here?
the noodles totally define it.
he still didn't have to be such a dick about it and go to the "why do you have to offend my culture" zone...
Yes, he was being a dick about it. I mean the waitress (also Vietnamese) was totally fine with me changing my order. And even if it's not TECHNICALLY pho anymore, it's still Vietnamese food.
Originally Posted by jakey
It's not like I went into the restaurant and asked for a pizza or something like that.
If your Vietnamese friend was offended by this, then surely the Vietnamese waitress was offended too. The broth may have been sans noodles, but it definitely wasn't sans spit or other bodily fluids. Just sayin'.
Originally Posted by Kharnath
Thanks for this informative reply.
Tell your friend the word pho is actually derived from a French term for beef stew and you weren't offending his culture, you were honoring his culture's erstwhile colonial masters. Or you can leave off the "masters" part but it is still a viet-afied version of pot-au-feu. In a very good way mind you.
I doubt he'd listen to such a reasoned opinion as this at present. Maybe in a few days I'll attempt that. If I'm willing to accept that I may still open another can of worms.
Originally Posted by Him
Wow, what a strong reaction!
I had pho the other day with my husband and ate every SINGLE NOODLE.
They *are* rice noodles, not wheat.
How come you didn't want to get any? Too big of a carb load?
And I'm sure the waitress wasn't offended.
I bet she sees a whole buncha whities in there ordering all kinds
of crazy crap. If she gets paid and the restaurant gets money, what
the heck do THEY care? Seriously.
In any event, man, I don't know what I would have done if I were
in your situation. Your dude bro totally flipped out.
I think your friend overreacted big time. I mean, would we accuse someone who took the bun off their burger of insulting our culture because burgers come with buns? No. Maybe noodles are an integral part of pho, maybe not (I'm not Vietnamese, so have no idea) but he should respect your right to eat how you need to eat.