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    Was Bob Costas Right?

    Sure is a lot of uproar on the internet about his comments (technically copied from someone else).

    I disagree with that POV he put forth.

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    there's uproar about gun control on the internet? i never thought i'd see the day.

    i don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but i do agree that handguns serve very little purpose beyond killing. that killing may be for good or bad intentions, but it's still killing. gun control won't fix that, though. if that sort of thing worked, i wouldn't be able to go buy a suitcase full of drugs if i wanted to. there's something broader that needs to be explored when it comes to gun violence.

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    That's what I like when I'm watching football, a sports commentator talking about gun control. Maybe during baseball season we can discuss abortion.

    Just because you're a sports analyst on TV does not mean that I give 2 shits about what your opinion on anything is...other than sports, of course.
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    Talent should stay talent and stfu about social issues when working.

    I believe we should all be armed. Mandatory high school (or middle school) courses. We're not teaching them math, so we might as well teach them something else that's useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoanieL View Post
    I believe we should all be armed.
    Why? why not nobody should be armed and we teach "the kids" Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iniQuity View Post
    Why? why not nobody should be armed and we teach "the kids" Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instead?
    Because the government would still be armed, and kind of the point of having the right to bear arms (or arm bears if you prefer) and the right to have state militias is to protect against a corrupt government.

    Also, if we were all armed, don't you think maybe the average street thug would think twice before mugging someone? The snatch and grab rapist might not be so successful if all women carried guns. It's not fail-safe, but nothing is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoanieL View Post
    Also, if we were all armed, don't you think maybe the average street thug would think twice before mugging someone? The snatch and grab rapist might not be so successful if all women carried guns. It's not fail-safe, but nothing is.
    this just doesn't make sense to me. how is it that if everybody has a gun, the evil people are automatically going to stop being evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalrob View Post
    this just doesn't make sense to me. how is it that if everybody has a gun, the evil people are automatically going to stop being evil?
    They don't stop being evil. However, if law-abiding citizens had to give up their guns (if there were a law for that) then they would have one of two choices; either to be unarmed in an attack (with a chance that the assailant has a gun - not caring about the law obviously) or to break the law and carry the gun to protect in the slight case that they do get attacked and if the said assailant has a gun, the odds are better. It just levels the playing field moreso than NOT having a gun.

    And Bob Costas is an asshat. He isn't even a good sportscaster. He needs to go sell shoes or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by primalrob View Post
    this just doesn't make sense to me. how is it that if everybody has a gun, the evil people are automatically going to stop being evil?
    Actually, I tend to agree with Joanie. Not in the NRA's "an armed society is a polite society" schtick, but that badguys are going to have guns no matter what, why keep good guys from having them too? Are they dangerous? Absolutely. Do the scare the shit out of me? Absolutely.

    Are guns good for society? Probably not. But I think that forbidding them is worse for society. The life you save just may be your own. I'm a dual citizen. In my "other" country, pretty much every family has a gun. There are usually about 120 or 130 murders a year, including mob violence and terrorism. Most of the murders, granted (except in bad terrorism years), are a wife shooting her husband for cheating on her (or something like that). My point, however, is that you can have an armed society which isn't disfunctional (in that way) and where there isn't alot of gun violence. The problem doesn't seem to be the guns, but the greater issues of society.

    Even if we tried to deny people guns, nuts would make pipe bombs, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoanieL View Post
    Because the government would still be armed, and kind of the point of having the right to bear arms (or arm bears if you prefer) and the right to have state militias is to protect against a corrupt government.

    Also, if we were all armed, don't you think maybe the average street thug would think twice before mugging someone? The snatch and grab rapist might not be so successful if all women carried guns. It's not fail-safe, but nothing is.
    I think we would have seen more instances of such behavior by other developed nations instead - I can't recall an instance out of the good side of Europe, but def educate if you know better. I think it's a bit neurotic personally to think the government is going to put us all in jails or some shit - keep in mind that the people in the military are still part of the country, not mindless drones (well...) I think they wouldn't just listen blindly and overtake the population simply because they have the guns. I guess I could be the naive one, but again, I can't recall evidence of that in other industrialized non-communist/etc nations.

    I strongly disagree with your next statement though. I think more guns would lead to more violence or more "trigger finger" behavior. Have you ever seen those Russian dash cam videos? they're all the rage on youtube (I'm a big fan) and usually involve motorists capturing accidents with their dash cams (apparently insurance isn't mandatory, so this is how they prove their innocence or whatever) and about 50% of them also involve fights. I just googled quickly, and it seems you need a license to get a gun in Russia, but it's not very hard to obtain one. All the videos I've seen don't have people carrying firearms, but many of them do seem to keep knives and bats, almost specifically for traffic altercations. I think if these people had guns instead they would just shoot each other, that does in fact happen, just not as often. My assumption is most Russians are too poor for guns.

    I could almost guarantee there would be more road-rage fuled deaths in the U.S. if EVERYONE had a gun, as you suggested. You already read plenty of reports of mindless violence, people killing others over loud music is one I just read about. I am convinced these would be more common place.

    I don't think it would count as a deterrent either. Assuming a rapist operated with the knowledge that all women have guns, he/she would just drug or otherwise knockout their victim and then proceed to do whatever they wanted to do. Remember that not all rapes are the kind where you don't know the assailant.

    As far as the thug goes, I also think they would be quicker to just shoot the person and rob them, instead of waiting to see if they pull their gun too. Desperate people won't stop being desperate just by knowing they too could die as a result of their actions.

    I'm actually not on the "nobody should have guns, ever" camp either. As far as this NFL guy goes, he could have killed his wife any other way then ran into traffic to kill himself. I DO think guns make it much easier to kill though. Take guns away from gang members for instance, and you eliminate drive by deaths and would force these idiots to actually knuckle up.

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