02-24-2013, 02:47 PM
This is all fantastic!!!
Originally Posted by Key Tones
02-24-2013, 04:20 PM
I just read a facebook post from Ray Cronise. I believe he has clients? He posted one that has dropped 38 pounds in 38 days. I believe he is applying cold therapy to a fat-free potato hack, but I am not certain as Ray is a bit vague. Ray notes that the body trying to keep warm under applied cold conditions burns many, many more calories than exercise possibly could. I am curious but a bit reluctant.
Here is the post:
Daniel is down 38 lbs in 38 days. No exercise. No shakes. No supplements. Oh, and what's all this talk about crashing metabolism? His RMR is 3100 kcal/day as measured on a Quark CPET from Cosmed HQ. Your metabolism isn't the problem either. Great job Daniel!!! — with Daniel Harrington.
02-24-2013, 04:32 PM
There are couple threads around here somewhere on some of that, some N=1's.
Originally Posted by Key Tones
02-25-2013, 12:19 PM
I did cold, boiled potatoes with just salt and vinegar for 3 days as a 'carb reset'--and I gained 7 lbs.
Let me preface this by saying that I'm extremely carb sensitive and need to stay at no more than 25g carbs daily. I thrive on this WOE, but I've read that it's best to have a 'carb day' every few months, and I've done that for the past few years--usually just for a single day.
However, Mark mentions that carbing up, it's best to go low fat, and since I avoid grains and sugar, I thought that a 'potato hack' might work well. I've read that it won't result in weight loss for people with a metabolic dysfunction like mine but that as a 'reset' it's ideal. But I was hoping that it wouldn't result in a gain.
I felt fine, but I had more appetite than usual and was probably eating too much in terms of calories (I love potatoes and haven't eaten them in years). The gain may simply be the glycogen+water from the carbs (at least that's what I'm hoping).
I probably should have limited this to one day, but I was curious to see whether it worked better as a 'reset' if I did 3 days.
I'm back to low carbing, and I hope this worked so that I can lose the bloat quickly.
I think that it's important for others like me who are extremely sensitive to carbs to know what they may experience.
02-26-2013, 11:34 AM
You would have to eat about 245 extra potatoes to gain 7 pounds of fat, so it can't be fat. I don't know why you bloated up; sorry to hear about the issue.
My weight goes all over the place for the first few days. It is day 4 or 5 where it gets interesting.
It has lowered my fasting blood glucose to the 80s. I have never seen a fasting blood glucose below 100 in my life, even when I was in my 20s my fasting glucose was too high. Seriously, I don't understand it but it has helped me. I have McDougall's Starch Solution book to see if he explains this.
02-26-2013, 11:39 AM
I would try this if I got stuck. Or maybe when I reach my ideal weight, just to see what happens. Before I started I think I would want to have a glucose meter on hand, I think.
02-26-2013, 05:19 PM
Just got back from 2 weeks in Hawaii! Despite eating whatever I wanted, even had a few umbrella drinks at the pool, lots of chocolate covered coffee beans and a couple shave-ices, I actually lost 3 pounds. Maybe it was the taro? Maybe it was the daily buffet breakfast (I normally IF til noon).
Anyway, nice to see this thread still attracting people. Ray Cronise has some new stuff on his site at Thermogenex - Fuel the Burn | but he really does seem to be headed into the CICO realm. It looks like his site may soon change to a pay-for-service kind of deal, but he definitely knows a lot about metabolism, cold, and eating.
I have watched and participated in probably hundreds of people doing some version of the 'potato hack'. Most lose weight, but some gain. The gainers, I'm sure are from water weight, mostly when coming from years of low carb, glycogen depleted dieting. I'm thinking some may also be gaining from the extra salt? But who knows. Bottom line, it really works, is safe, and is totally voluntary. If you don't like it after a day or two--quit. No harm, no foul.
The best successes I have seen are guys (men) who eat noting but potatoes (with only salt/pepper/vinegar), for 1-2 weeks. It's like an automatic 1/2 - 1 pound a day loss the whole time, and most women do good, too.
Since I have lost my fear of carbs in the past 6 months or so, I have been eating a couple potatoes every day and my weight initially increased about 3 pounds and then has leveled off and is rock-steady pretty much no matter how much I eat, although I generally eat only Primal Blueprint style.
Good luck all!
02-26-2013, 05:24 PM
Niiiice! And you were bikini ready (to observe anyways haha)
Originally Posted by otzi
02-26-2013, 05:41 PM
It was really eye-opening looking at the people on the beach and at the pool. I would say that 90% of all men over 30 have the classical visceral fat, protruding belly, even with a lack of fat on the rest of the body. Almost everybody has that big gut that signals 'metabolic syndrome'. I think that eliminating visceral fat needs to be the goal of everyone. The fat under the skin does no harm, but the fat around organs is what causes the start of the downward spiral that ends in fatty liver, diabetes, heart problems, etc...
Originally Posted by gopintos
Of course, watching these same people at the breakfast buffet and poolside bar left no doubt as to the cause of their condition.
Anyone over the age of 40 who is in good shape clearly works for it. If you see an older guy with no gut, chances are he also has good biceps and strong legs, even if he is not ripped with a 6 pack. It's also very telling to watch people eat--the healthiest bunch doesn't pig out and eat lots of fruit, even though they still may be eating pancakes and bagels. The unhealthy looking people are getting thirds on the pancakes and completely skipping the fresh cut fruit.
Anyway, it was a lot of fun and it felt good to be one of the 'in-shape' people rather than fat and miserable like I used to be.
02-27-2013, 07:10 AM
Bravo on finding what works so well for you Otzi. You must have felt great on your vacation as well as being Od of the fittest guys around.
Being older and looking good does take a lot of work! I want to try the Potato Hack again at some point to see if I can tolerate the nightshade better this time. I tried in January coming off a bad December of flour and sugar. maybe now that I've been eating Primal since 1/1 I have less inflammation and five less pounds and might do better. Last time I didn't get that Full response to the taters and ate 1200-1300 calories worth a day. I gained doing it for three days, had swollen fingers and quit.