Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 21

Thread: NP doesn't think this is sucess, wants statins page 2

  1. #11
    EagleRiverDee's Avatar
    EagleRiverDee is online now Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Eagle River, Alaska
    Posts
    673
    Primal Blueprint Expert Certification
    My dad tried statins and it almost killed him (messed up his blood pressure really bad) so he switched red yeast rice and it worked.

    Last year I dropped my cholesterol 81 points just by doing daily exercise and diet, but if I hadn't been able to do that I might look at red yeast rice next. Oh, I also spike my tea with cayenne and cinnamon and both are known to reduce cholesterol. So that may have played into it.

  2. #12
    WendyLady's Avatar
    WendyLady is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Muscat
    Posts
    26
    After struggling with Celiac's for 16 years and being diagnosed with EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN (including hypochondria) but having Celiac's suggested by a pharmacist (!), I'm tired of trying to educate doctors. I do my own best research, and if they say something stupid that I know to be untrue, I go out the door. To be fair, I think doctors in general do not expect patients to do the right thing. They're all, "here, take this statin since you will never change your diet and maybe you will live slightly longer and I won't have to feel guilty about doing nothing". When you have a patient changing his life... maybe they find this hard to believe or to trust.

    I vote you find another doctor.

  3. #13
    PBNewby's Avatar
    PBNewby is online now Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    242
    Double check your math.
    I think this is more correct:


    21-Oct-11 24-Apr-12 29-Oct-12
    Total 234 217 227
    Trigs 122 129 112
    HDL 38 46 48
    VLDL 24 26 22
    LDL 172 145 151

    LDL/HDL (goal < 4.30) 4.53 3.15 3.15
    Trigs/HDL (goal < 2.0) 3.21 2.80 2.33
    Total/HDL (goal < 5.0) 6.16 4.72 4.73

    For reference, I had mine checked last week and my ratios are 3.3, 2.5, and 4.8. Quite comparable to the last column of numbers above.
    Last edited by PBNewby; 12-19-2012 at 06:13 AM.

  4. #14
    Him's Avatar
    Him
    Him is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Tejas Norte
    Posts
    282
    I wouldn't try to tell a doctor (or other professional) how and why to do their job
    That's correct. Instead tell them what their job is. As in, what result you want, and what you are willing to do to get there. An architect can't design your dream house if you don't tell her what you dream, and a dream house you cannot afford to build, or wouldn't be willing to live in, isn't much of a dream either. Professionals are people you hire to help you acheive specific results in areas requiring special knowledge and flexible problem solving abilities. You must give them the parameters of your problem or they can't do their job. Often they can guess but their guesses may well be wrong. If one of your parameters is "no statins", that's just like if I was specifying my dream house and said, "no doric columns". I can't blame an architect for designing me a house with doric columns if I haven't told her I think they look wrong on houses.

    Trust is an overused word, but it comes into play here. Not the authoritarian "trust us, we're professionals", but the prosaic, "provide correct information" sense. It should go both ways, but in the short term you only control one side. Make yourself trustworthy because that gives others a chance to show their true colors. If you can't develop trust in return...if you don't find the professionals you have hired trustworthy...fire them and hire others.

  5. #15
    Dirlot's Avatar
    Dirlot is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Edmonton Canada
    Posts
    2,455
    So the numbers seem to be getting better each visit and they want statins....sigh.
    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
    PS
    Don't forget to play!

  6. #16
    honeybuns's Avatar
    honeybuns is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    2,290
    My DH suffered muscle damage from statins. What docs don't tell you, even though the information is out there, is that the statins do their work at the expense of muscle. Do your ow research into the side effects and dangers of statins. NOT worth the gamble!
    Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt.

  7. #17
    momrn's Avatar
    momrn is offline Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    81
    Can you tell me how I calculated wrong for future reference? I like your numbers better!

    WendyLady, that was me, too. She was totally surprised that my panel came back positive. She thought it was just IBS. I wound up with villi that were still showing damage two years after being totally GF.

    We would leave this practice except he has a complicated health history, and, to be frank, we don't believe we can find anyone better where we live.

    Not sure who said not to tell a dr how to do their job, but we have both been asked, "What do you want to do?" When my health care provider is sitting there typing your symptoms into Medscape, I feel pretty confident I can grasp the issue.

  8. #18
    Cuban's Avatar
    Cuban is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    13
    Quote Originally Posted by momrn View Post
    We would leave this practice except he has a complicated health history, and, to be frank, we don't believe we can find anyone better where we live.

    When my health care provider is sitting there typing your symptoms into Medscape, I feel pretty confident I can grasp the issue.
    Perhaps I am misunderstanding your point because it seems your latter statement disagrees with your former. A health care provider using Medscape is not a health care provider I would trust. Based on years of training I would opt for a MD/DO before a NP. It sounds as if you don't have any options but if this provider is the best where you live that is a bit scary. Regardless of how well trained there are very few providers who have studied the effect of nutrition over prescription meds. It's just not taught to them in school.

  9. #19
    PBNewby's Avatar
    PBNewby is online now Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    242
    Quote Originally Posted by momrn View Post
    Can you tell me how I calculated wrong for future reference? I like your numbers better!
    ...
    I apologize for not responding earlier, I missed the question above.
    The triglycerides ratios are not correct.
    For example, Trig/HDL is 122/38 which equals 3.2 (not 6.5 as in your post)

  10. #20
    jammies's Avatar
    jammies is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    4,522
    While I am not a supporter of statins, I will say that for the most part your provider is correct that those numbers have not really improved. While they are trending the right direction, the changes are barely, if at all, outside the margin of error for the test. You would need more tests over time to tell if things really are changing.

    I would think the triglyceride levels have the most room for improvement.
    Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

    http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •