I personally don't aim for ketosis, but find that my eating cycle takes me there occasionally. For nstance, at the moment sweet potatoes are very expensive due to floods wiping out half of this years crop. As they Are my usual mainstay carb source, just the plate of veggies I eat for at least two meals a day and several servings of fruit per day are plenty to keep my diet anything but miserable.
Of course I may not be in deep ketosis, but I know when I'm excreting ketones in my breath and urine.
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Reading everyone's responses has been helpful, and at times humerous. Many good points have been made. In my understanding, after 3 days or so around 50g of carbs your body begins to burn fat stores efficiently and will continue to do so in this range. I have acquaintances who claim no sugar at all which led me to inquire here having read marks book and I've been proactive to overcome some health issues. I feel great with a small amount of fruit and fresh vegetable juice. Without excessive calories in general, grains and starchy veg besides carrots I feel my weight loss will be effortless. I am enjoying an egg spinach and cottage cheese breakfast, homemade chicken soup for lunch with apple, and a basic dinner of protein and veggie. This seems easy and satisfying to maintain. When I workout, I may add 6oz of Greek yogurt and blueberries as a snack if needed. Carbs add up fast but it was the lactose and fruit sugars I was curious about. I will wait and see over the next few weeks. Thanks!
I think most people who eat a ketogenic diet don't find the wide selection of foods to be limited in palatability at all and a ketogenic diet does not eliminate a host of leafy greens and non starchy vegetables along with meats, fish and a variety of healthy fats.
Why Do We Ever Stop Eating? Taste, Reward, and Hyperpalatability (Why Are We Hungry? Part VII) - GNOLLS.ORG. From that ...
"Lemmens et.al. demonstrates that eating delicious, highly “liked” food (food with high hedonic reward, aka “palatable” food) does not necessarily cause us to eat more. In fact, in their experiment, the subjects were less motivated to earn more food after eating the chocolate mousse than after the cottage cheese!" Not a ringing endorsement for the food palatability hypothesis.
I've been reading this book: http://www.owndoc.com/pdf/The-fat-of-the-land.pdf It's by Vihljalmur Stefansson, the guy who lived with eskimos in the very early 1900s and who went a year in a metabolic ward study eating only meat and water. It's really interesting. He did enjoy and even looked forward to all the meat he ate once he got used to the idea of not having variety in his diet. I don't think he would describe it as "low reward", but since he was living in an era before rampant overuse of MSG and MSG-like artificial flavorings, it probably was low reward. What's really amazing is that eating all the organs wasn't necessary. What's appalling is he ate and liked putrified fish.
You can't get much simpler a plan than an all meat diet. If you want to add an apple, go ahead. He said that after a while, stuff like apples didn't really appeal to him anymore.
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2.) Ketogenic diets will only work due to one reason: calorie restriction. If you are losing weight on a ketogenic diet faster than any other kind of diet, it can only be because you are maintaining a different greater calorie deficit. This could be for several reasons:
a.) You find the food to be more filling, so you eat less of it.
b.) There are less choices and therefore you are less interested in food as a whole.
c.) The food doesn't taste as good, so you don't want to eat as much.
This is such a brilliant article.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why a ketogenic diet works for some people. The limited food choices make people less obsessed with food since they don't feel the need to "try everything on the table," the overall blandness of the diet discourages overconsumption and the invariably greater intake of meat and very fibrous vegetables leads to slower digestion and increased satiety. Which allows for a more easily maintained calorie deficit.Originally Posted by Martin Berkhan
It's that simple.
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