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    Quote Originally Posted by Im Losing It View Post
    It was only Cronise's research that convinced Otzi to try it and launch this thread (though Cronise was asking people not to, as he wasn't through researching it) -- but why he decided to steal Cronise's work without attribution is beyond me.

    By the way, anyone who wants to read a ton of great give and take with Cronise re: this diet, go here (free registration required) :

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    Ok, not to beat a dead horse, and I think what you are trying to do is admirable, defending someone else's work and all. But Otzi never tried to pass this off as his own. In fact, he directed me to Cronise's site and to his work. And when I went over there to sign up, I didnt even realize that I had already signed up some other time.

    So there's the thing: the thing is, most of those guys, their work is just over my head. Trying to understand it and make sense of it all. And getting around to reading it all takes time. So even though I was already registered on his site because I was interested in his work, none of this tator stuff jumped out at me. It wasnt until it was pointed out & interpreted for me, did I have an interest. And if the fella wasn't ready for ppl to try it, then he shouldnt have posted it on the internet.

    And I dont think TT meant anything bad either. I dont mean to speak for him, but his post came across to me, as someone concerned about our little community here, and a fella MDAer getting some flack for posting something that was already out there.

    Cronise no doubt deserves his just credit. And we (at least I) would never have known about his work on tators over there, if not for the postings over here. That is how we all learn from each other.

    Now, let's all kiss and make up, and move on
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    Quote Originally Posted by gopintos View Post
    Ok, not to beat a dead horse, and I think what you are trying to do is admirable, defending someone else's work and all. But Otzi never tried to pass this off as his own. In fact, he directed me to Cronise's site and to his work. And when I went over there to sign up, I didnt even realize that I had already signed up some other time.

    So there's the thing: the thing is, most of those guys, their work is just over my head. Trying to understand it and make sense of it all. And getting around to reading it all takes time. So even though I was already registered on his site because I was interested in his work, none of this tator stuff jumped out at me. It wasnt until it was pointed out & interpreted for me, did I have an interest. And if the fella wasn't ready for ppl to try it, then he shouldnt have posted it on the internet.

    And I dont think TT meant anything bad either. I dont mean to speak for him, but his post came across to me, as someone concerned about our little community here, and a fella MDAer getting some flack for posting something that was already out there.

    Cronise no doubt deserves his just credit. And we (at least I) would never have known about his work on tators over there, if not for the postings over here. That is how we all learn from each other.

    Now, let's all kiss and make up, and move on
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    My goodness.......never heard of Cronise and now I don't want to go to his website EVER because of some REALLY devoted fan of his who is really annoying the crap out of me on here. Why don't you just stop already Im Losing it..........cuz your make me "lose it." It's not like the tater diet is patented or something. When you do research on something that grows NATURALLY on the planet we live on then you're gonna run into people who have done the same kind of research on the same plant. Whether on themselves or others. It's not like its some magic concoction that Ray came up with...........IT"S A POTATO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sakura_girl View Post
    The only thing I have to say about this is that this thread is completely about weight loss....versus this forum's purpose of trying to gain good health. I am disappointed in some of the people who have jumped on this wagon :\ Have fun yo-yoing....
    For me, losing some weight = better health. There are WAY worse things to eat than potatoes:

    WHFoods: Potatoes

    Oh and just to rub it in: I'm down 7 lbs effortlessly. And not hungry. And not hypoglycemic. And happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Im Losing It View Post
    Otzi has said that he started this thread with info from private emails and private phone conversations with Cronise...without telling him he was going to post it.

    Cronise's board is private. Cronise's emails and phone calls with Otzi were private. That's why Otzi didn't mention Cronise until Otzi was caught -- because he was betraying Cronise knowingly. There's no other way to read his behavior. Otzi pretended to be a friend, benefited from private phone conversations with Cronise about how Otzi could better lose weight using Cronise's research, came here and represented Cronise's work as his own, and, once caught, edited/destroyed the evidence. There's no ambiguity about what he was doing or his state of mind.
    I did go back and delete a lot of comments, I did that AFTER Ray Cronise looked at them and told me he wished I wouldn't have posted so much on potatoes. I changed the first post in this thread to direct future readers to Ray's site. The day I made this thread, I emailed Ray and invited him to look it over. No malice on my part. After about a week, I hadn't heard back and was surprised how much attention this thread was getting. I emailed him again, provided him links to this thread. He got back to me quickly and said he didn't have time to come onto MDA and defend his work so would I kindly send people to his site. I honored that request.

    If you read through the thread, you will see several people telling me to stop talking science and just stick to the basics...eat potatoes, lose weight. It works, most people don't really care about the science. I didn't post any links, graphs, or studies that Ray had on his site because I respected his research and work. About the only thing you could say I 'stole' from him and posited as my own was the fact that potatoes contain all the essential amino acids and a healthy supply of fat. Anything else was sheer speculation on my part as to why this works. In the comments on Rays blog, he shoots down about all the arguments I used to tell people why this works. So far as I know he hasn't told anyone why he thinks this works so well.

    But anyway, you are doing the exact opposite of what Ray would want you to do, draw so much attention to his work in the lead up to his big release of information. Maybe you should get Ray's email address off his site, email him, and tell him how you are 'dressing down' Otzi and all the people who have lost weight eating potatoes. I'll bet he tells you to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Im Losing It View Post
    You launch and run an 850 post thread about your potato diet invention, and I'm the one calling attention to it?

    BTW, where's the part where you take issue with "Tatertot's" crapping on Cronise and the "cease-and-desist order" he supposedly put in against you?
    People around here get excited about novel ways to improve our health naturally. You should see what happened when I borrowed a lot of info from Ray's site on Cold Thermogenesis! http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread50560.html

    Go to pages 11 and 17 and note the comments by Mr. ZzzzeroG. That's what I hoped would happen here.

    When I started this thread, I figured people would say it was all BS and not give it a second thought. That's one of the reasons I didn't start right off with "....Ray Cronise says eat potatoes and lose weight." I figured if people took a liking to it, then we could give credit where credit's due. Done and done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Im Losing It View Post
    You missed my point. You called yourself "Meatgrrrl" on this forum for a reason.
    You shouldn't read too much into usernames. I did that because the one I wanted was taken.


    Quote Originally Posted by Im Losing It View Post
    You would not have been caught dead doing a potato diet unless someone had done a ton of work to convince you that it was anything but Vegan nonsense. So even if you had read that post in 2006, you would have laughed at it.
    Are you my ex husband? Not that he knew me either, but my point is, don't claim to speak for me. You don't know me.

    Having been a vegetarian, a meat eater, a fish eater through different times in my life, I'm afraid your assumptions are ever so slightly wrong, but thanks for playing. I've followed all sorts of odd and cuckoo diets in my life to see what happens. Now the banana diet... that was something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Im Losing It View Post
    It was only Cronise's research that convinced Otzi to try it and launch this thread (though Cronise was asking people not to, as he wasn't through researching it) -- but why he decided to steal Cronise's work without attribution is beyond me.

    By the way, anyone who wants to read a ton of great give and take with Cronise re: this diet, go here (free registration required) :

    Thermogenex - Fuel the Burn

    And consider donating (and here comes tatertot again saying I'm Cronise), because he is spending a ton on equipment...and because, as the guy who's actually figuring out the innovations that are helping fat people get thin fast (for apparently the first time in their lives), he deserves it.
    Do you troll for a living or is it something you do in your spare time? Do you remember the teacher in Charlie Brown cartoons who made that noise like they were talking but all Charlie heard was 'blah blah blah blah'....
    Well I'm reminded of that by you.
    You're not Ray. He's far, far nicer.
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    Safe Starches: Are they Essential to an Ancestral Diet? — 2nd annual Ancestral Health Symposium 2012 (AHS12). on Vimeo

    I got the link from here
    VIDEO: My ‘Safe Starches’ Panel At #AHS12 Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog

    PHD dude has been telling ppl for awhile now to eat safe starches for weight loss (I know this link has been posted before because I have posted it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gopintos View Post
    Has this posted yet?
    Safe Starches: Are they Essential to an Ancestral Diet? — 2nd annual Ancestral Health Symposium 2012 (AHS12). on Vimeo

    I got the link from here
    VIDEO: My ‘Safe Starches’ Panel At #AHS12 Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog

    PHD dude has been telling ppl for awhile now to eat safe starches for weight loss (I know this link has been posted before because I have posted it)
    Perfect Health Diet: Weight Loss Version | Perfect Health Diet
    thanks for the links

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom5booklover View Post
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    My goodness.......never heard of Cronise and now I don't want to go to his website EVER because of some REALLY devoted fan of his who is really annoying the crap out of me on here. Why don't you just stop already Im Losing it..........cuz your make me "lose it." It's not like the tater diet is patented or something. When you do research on something that grows NATURALLY on the planet we live on then you're gonna run into people who have done the same kind of research on the same plant. Whether on themselves or others. It's not like its some magic concoction that Ray came up with...........IT"S A POTATO.
    well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by otzi View Post
    I did go back and delete a lot of comments, I did that AFTER Ray Cronise looked at them and told me he wished I wouldn't have posted so much on potatoes. I changed the first post in this thread to direct future readers to Ray's site. The day I made this thread, I emailed Ray and invited him to look it over. No malice on my part. After about a week, I hadn't heard back and was surprised how much attention this thread was getting. I emailed him again, provided him links to this thread. He got back to me quickly and said he didn't have time to come onto MDA and defend his work so would I kindly send people to his site. I honored that request.

    If you read through the thread, you will see several people telling me to stop talking science and just stick to the basics...eat potatoes, lose weight. It works, most people don't really care about the science. I didn't post any links, graphs, or studies that Ray had on his site because I respected his research and work. About the only thing you could say I 'stole' from him and posited as my own was the fact that potatoes contain all the essential amino acids and a healthy supply of fat. Anything else was sheer speculation on my part as to why this works. In the comments on Rays blog, he shoots down about all the arguments I used to tell people why this works. So far as I know he hasn't told anyone why he thinks this works so well.

    But anyway, you are doing the exact opposite of what Ray would want you to do, draw so much attention to his work in the lead up to his big release of information. Maybe you should get Ray's email address off his site, email him, and tell him how you are 'dressing down' Otzi and all the people who have lost weight eating potatoes. I'll bet he tells you to stop.
    sounds fair enough to me.

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