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    Keep in mind that Gadsie is a teenage boy.

    I think you're doing fine. If your gains start to stall, then start playing with things by adding in more protein.

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    It is healthier to burn fat for fuel, Mark wrote at least one long post about it. But my understanding is that, as long as you are metabolically flexible, there's no reason you should have to cut out carbs completely to use fat for fuel. Personally, when I was eating around 4500 calories a day it was impossible without large servings of starch at each meal. My guess is that if you are active enough to need 4500 calories you are active enough to handle, or maybe even require a lot of carbs. And definitely more protein.


    Here's roughly what my diet was when trying to gain:

    Breakfast: 6 eggs, 1/4 pound meat, bowl of white rice (cup and a half maybe), black coffee
    Second breakfast: 6 eggs, 1/4 pound meat, bowl of white rice, big salad (naked)
    Lunch: 1 or 2 Baked potato (depending on size) with melted cheese, 8 oz meat, many vegetables
    Dinner: 2 pieces of fruit, 8 oz meat, giant salad w/ olive oil + balsamic vinegar

    each meal was about 1000-1100 calories and then I took 10g of fish oil and experimented with protein shakes at different times of the day (before bed, after lifting, etc). The total was about 250g carbs, 300g protein, 250g fat. Obviously your choices will be limited by food availability, money, which foods make you feel good, etc. but that's what worked for me.


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    EDIT: I was also a teenage boy when I did this.

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    Burning fat is optimal because it increases endurance as well as your overall performance. I would recommend checking out some of Dr. Greg Ellis's work. his youtube is byebyecarbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by teach2183 View Post
    Keep in mind that Gadsie is a teenage boy.

    I think you're doing fine. If your gains start to stall, then start playing with things by adding in more protein.
    Keep in mind, Im 18 years old
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    I actually don't believe fat is "healthier" than carbohydrates. I believe eating primal foods is healthier than eating crap. I believe we need (saturated) fat, much more than the goverment advices, I believe eating vitamins and minerals is healthier than eating empty calories. But I can't find any real logic that fat is better than carbs always. I'm pretty sure there were groups 20.000 years ago that ate more carbs than fat. What matters most to me is that that I tried >50g grams a day for about 2 weeks straight and felt like crap all the time.

    Anyways, I came to say I ate 235 g protein today. Just by eating some shrimps and some extra chicken . This all lowered my fat intake and I ate under 150g of fat today and over 200g carbs today. Whatever you know, my macros differ a lot everyday
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    Should add some meats constipate some people, and others don't. If I ate that much chicken, I know I'd have trouble. But red meat? Goes right through like anything else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifegill View Post
    Should add some meats constipate some people, and others don't. If I ate that much chicken, I know I'd have trouble. But red meat? Goes right through like anything else.
    I didn't eat a lot of chicken, half a pound. But together with shrimp, eggs, cheese, milk, it's still a lot of protein
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    I agree chicken is weird on my bowels, expecially fatty chicken. I'm prolly gonna be ready to strangle someone by the end of the week as all I have canned salmon and chicken quarters for lunch and dinner. I love my red meat but I cant afford it right now
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