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    relaygirl - i use my own version for meatballs which is a cross between the nomnompaleo recipe and the paleomg breakfast balls
    sometimes i don't bother with the bacon, sometimes i use regular mushroom, i normally grate in the yam as opposed to dice, normally no cilantro. normally don't bother with the maple syrup. i find she adds lots of sugars in her recipe that don't really need it. it's good with it but trying to keep my sweet tooth at bay!

    hispanicgamer - this thread is the only one i keep coming back to! very diverse but all things that will help us and our running in the long run. bone broth is key for me too. i made some with pork bones which is just 'ok' but does the trick. i have a cup in the morning and sometimes add turmeric. actually lately i'm having turmeric tea in the morning - scoop of coconut cream, water, dab of honey and teaspoon of turmeric. great anti-inflammatory and awesome for my colon health.

    on my end i woke up yesterday with a MAJOR strain in my neck/upper back. no idea why or how but i was practically in tears. probably from sitting in front of a computer i wonder if it also maybe had something to do with flipping tires on wed (my first time! so fun!). anyway, stayed home, got drugged up (which i do not like to do but it was necessary!) and laid low all day. better this morning but that means at least one more day of minimal activity. might go for a really long walk though.

    happy weekend!

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    Liver...do y'all eat liver? I have TONS of it in my freezer. I am wondering if should cut it up in little pieces and just swallow it whole like the whole 30 girl does. I have tried many different ways to "blend" it in and it doesn't work for us.

    Also, what kind of hot tea do y'all like? I stopped drinking it for while because BP Dave says it grows mold. But now that it is chilly I have been drinking it (chilly here is like 60). Plus, I have so much I hate to waste it (mold or not, I guess).

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    So today I ran 9 miles of which the first half was on BP coffee. Compared to last weekend I will say my run went better but the second half was powered by Gatorade. I think it will take some time for me to run 10+ miles on BP coffee but I am determined to do it. Bone broth will be made tomorrow using the recipe from PaleoPorn.com.

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    questions Hispanicegamer...why do you have to run on BP coffee?? seems a bit random. especially for higher mileage like 9miles. why not have a shake with a scoop of whey protein, berries and greens?

    if for some reason you're determined to stick with BP coffee i would "up" it and add some eggs or egg yolks in there. Mark did a blog entry on adding eggs to coffee. i've been adding egg yolks for a while now (trying to keep my good fats up in case i decide i wanna try for a baby in the next few years...i'm getting up there!) and love it. it's basically my breakfast.
    but i've also tried whole eggs as well as yolks + scoop of whey. they were fine but were getting more 'shake' like and less coffee like so i switched back.

    but personally, i need a bit more prior to any run over 12km. i usually make a shake as described above + scoop of 24h yogurt or half avocado. yum!

    @relaygirl the only way i've dealt with liver (not overly fond of the taste) is cubing it and adding it to a chili. i've done that with heart too successfully. what about making pate? friend of mine did that and it was awesome!! i also think Mark did a post about it. here is Chris Kresser's...i actually had it tagged to read
    How to Eat More Organs

    basically if you're not into it, grind it and mask it!

    day 3 of neck pain and although better not 100% yet. so no ocean swim club or anything else for me.

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    oh and re tea...yes i drink it...a lot of it!
    i'm obsessed with David's Tea right now but will have to stop once my supplies dwindle cause there is "flavouring" in there which i don't appreciate.
    but i drink tea all day long at work. normally herbal or maybe white/green tea. no one will convince me it's a bad thing!

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    Hispanicgamer--why, why, why would you drink a Gatorade? What exactly did you need-calories? minerals? hydration? All of those can be had without drinking that stuff! Is your goal to run fasted? Do you run 1st thing in the morning usually? If you feel you need electrolytes use a honey stinger gel, hammergel or something with natural products at least with no dyes, etc. I really think, like melo said, that its better to eat something before than to have a Gatorade in the middle of it.

    It is hard to do and hardcore but training without any fuel-just water or just a nuun-will get you prepared for your race. Running dog tired and feeling hungry and like you can't go on...yet you do, will make you so freaking strong. Then, when you race-add something gentle in and it's like you are burning jet fuel. It is hard physically and mentally to get yourself to do it. It made me look at 13 miles as nothing. I'm not an ultra runner by any means but putting the 13 miles in perspective mentally helps me to physically need less.

    I did not run or walk today...yet. I am going insane. It is cold but beautiful. Okay, not cold but 60. I will break down and probably go hike 5 miles this afternoon. I was trying to not do anything. I have started packing for my relay. Doing well with keeping the contents of my bag low. It is awful managing a lot of clothes and gear in a van so keeping it as simple as possible is key. Hard for me because I am running clothes junkie...yes, another addiction!!!

    I'm on a mom's running club board and I just sold like 50 items of running clothing. My husband will be so excited to clear out some of the miniscule closet we share. I have to go get it boxed up now-not fun.

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    Thanks Meloroaster and Relaygirl for the advice. To be honest, I did the Gatorade as an experiment, I'm a scientist and wanted to try something. During the week, I run at noon and find that my runs are satisfactory with no hitting the wall or feelings of exhaustion. Last Saturday, I tried my run on BP Tea and had a meh kind of run. This Saturday I felt better during the first half and much better during the last half after Gatorade. So, I think I know now that I may need to add something to my BP coffee for my long run. This coming Saturday I will try Mark's Primal coffee with added MCT oil and see if this improves my run. I will not do Gatorade and instead will get some Stinger gels but try not to use them. I really do want to do my long runs fasted and am really just figuring what works for me. I agree with you Relay and your thread is what led me to try running fasted so I swear no more carb supplementation unless I am crashing and burning on the run. I really appreciate the feedback and thank you for the training tips.

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    Hispanic,
    In no way am i trying to refute your method, but as was mentioned, you must learn to suffer! With that, do not be afraid to walk during a long run, especially with the aim of no food. If you got to mile 8 and thought, 'Need. Sugar. Now!' To the point where you can't construct a sentence, walk that last mile if needs be. Just do anything to get there. When I started, I ran 5 miles out and back. It hurt. I walked. Felt like a wimp when people saw me walk, personal pride and all, but now I run 2 hours, hilly as you like, fasted, sometimes with no dinner the night before.. Daily! To use the 'wall' analogy, it's a case of chipping through the wall with nothing but your bare hands, as opposed to the jackhammer that is glucose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenry Hennings View Post
    Hispanic,
    In no way am i trying to refute your method, but as was mentioned, you must learn to suffer! With that, do not be afraid to walk during a long run, especially with the aim of no food. If you got to mile 8 and thought, 'Need. Sugar. Now!' To the point where you can't construct a sentence, walk that last mile if needs be. Just do anything to get there. When I started, I ran 5 miles out and back. It hurt. I walked. Felt like a wimp when people saw me walk, personal pride and all, but now I run 2 hours, hilly as you like, fasted, sometimes with no dinner the night before.. Daily! To use the 'wall' analogy, it's a case of chipping through the wall with nothing but your bare hands, as opposed to the jackhammer that is glucose.
    I use a walk-run method to get through my long runs. Usually a 1 minute walk at each mile marker. Yesterday, I completed 16 miles... first time I have run that distance in nearly 15 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssn679doc View Post
    I use a walk-run method to get through my long runs. Usually a 1 minute walk at each mile marker. Yesterday, I completed 16 miles... first time I have run that distance in nearly 15 years.
    That is awsome! And I'll bet the comparative time between 16 minutes of walking to the rest of your run was absolutley minimal?

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