I FINALLY had a decent half marathon running on FAT! page 2

[BennettC]

how were you doing it on fat if you drank oj? have you every heard of Charles Washington? he is a marathoner who eat a zero carb diet, basically nothing but fatty steaks. he does his marathons on pemmican.

[relaygirl]

@BennettC I did not drink OJ I made a 3 tbl gel with about 1 tbl of OJ in it. Being fat adapted does not mean I do not eat carbs. Paleobird has a good thread on what it means to be truly fat adapted. I was low carb paleo for years--I was not truly fat adapted. I eat more carbs now being fat adapted then I was when I was what I consider regular paleo.

[catdance62]

I am interested to read how you did. I am running a half marathon in Dec, and I do Crossfit also. I just can't give up running, although after this race is over I won't be running anything over 4 miles or so.

[relaygirl]

catdance62 are you already trained up to 13 miles?

My mileage is way down right now but I run about 3 half marathons a month--so I am just maintaining my endurance level now. I am doing a whole in Dec so now I am going to start just adding to my longest day. I am kind of just experimenting through everything to see how far I can go and how good I feel. I have 3 relays coming up--Oct, Nov and Jan--which is 3 legs over 24 hours with a total of 20 or so miles. In one I might have to take over 2 legs adding 10 miles. Depending on how my trail races go-I will do a trail whole and then maybe a 50K in the spring. I can't go much further than that.

I am not as fast as I used to be, I just can't get back there--right now, feeling good I am running a 1:45-1:50 half and about a 2:00-2:10 trail half depending on course. So that is okay for a 40 year old woman eating a ton of fat who gained 10 lbs of muscle doing crossfit. I went from 135-145 and I am 5'7"

I xfit 2-3 days a week and run 3 days a week. We are a busy family so I have to be flexible. I run about 30 miles a week.

[honestboy640]

Congrulation finally your on the reac

[amharp]

relaygirl,

I don't mean to sound like a moron, but I new to idea of fat adaptation. How do you know that you are now fat adapted? What feels different? Thanks for any insights you can provide.

[relaygirl]

there are several posts about it-search fat adapted beast. I am n=1 so this is where I am now:

I used to eat primal but would eat mostly protein-with good fats and some carbs. I would eat several times a day, I was still hungry. Now, I eat mostly fat-grass fed butter, mct oil, coconut oil, coconut, avocado, then protein and carbs. About 150 grams of fat a day.

For racing I would have to carb up primally-more fruit, more starches. Now I just keep things regular-a serving of fruit a day, a couple of sweet potatoes a week. I eat a lot of veggies. But I do not eat more because I am running long. I essentially can race high even in a fasted state. cross fit too. I drink bullet proof coffee 2 x a day in the morning then start eating at 1:00. I am now doing this even on race days.

Last month I experimented with race nutrition-but I am finding at 13+miles I do not even need anything during the race. This weekend I am going to bring a little baggie of almonds and dried unsweetened cranberries and I think I probably wont even eat it. I do need salt-so I only need salt tablets and a nuun.

Aside from racing-before I used to have to really watch my fruit consumption-I hardly ate any. I would gain weight. Now, with emphasis on the fats, it is protein that will make me gain. I do not eat tons of fruit, but there is no real spike in my blood sugar when I eat it. My LP IR score was a 4 last month.

I am really never hungry but I used to be hungry all the time-even with eggs and bacon for breakfast. And this is why I had to find a way to race, eat and live without cravings--just eating primally, it never cured my cravings and food addiction. Essentially doubling my fat and lowering the other values I have done this. I am sure it is a leptin issue.

I feel like I am running on rocket fuel about 5 miles in. I can't wait to get up 20+ miles and see how it goes.

[abqandrea]

Great thread and thank you for your running training updates.... keto trail running is absolutely doable. 10Ks, that's another question.

[relaygirl]

@abqandrea I don't like 10K's-I am not efficient in that short of a race. I looked back at my times and I had a 42 minute 10K a few years ago. I had no idea-I had forgotten. That is a pretty okay time for an oldish woman.

So I ran a few earlier this year just kind of sloppy-49-50 minutes (before the fat increase). When I saw that I had run one at 42 minutes I worked hard to try to run another one at that pace. I ran one just under 44 min in May and I felt like my body had been beaten and kicked. I thought-why do this to myself; this is not fun.

That was the beginning for me to change my attitude about racing and running and being fit. I want to be able to be active for the next 50 years so I am not going to brutalize my body again. Well, kind of --that is when I added a day of cross fit and the 10 lbs.

I had a moment and a few 3rd places finishes. It is enough. I am not even a lifelong runner-I was obese for many years and I just started running in 2009. I want to enjoy myself.

[sbhikes]

there are several posts about it-search fat adapted beast. I am n=1 so this is where I am now:

I used to eat primal but would eat mostly protein-with good fats and some carbs. I would eat several times a day, I was still hungry. Now, I eat mostly fat-grass fed butter, mct oil, coconut oil, coconut, avocado, then protein and carbs. About 150 grams of fat a day.

For racing I would have to carb up primally-more fruit, more starches. Now I just keep things regular-a serving of fruit a day, a couple of sweet potatoes a week. I eat a lot of veggies. But I do not eat more because I am running long. I essentially can race high even in a fasted state. cross fit too. I drink bullet proof coffee 2 x a day in the morning then start eating at 1:00. I am now doing this even on race days.

Last month I experimented with race nutrition-but I am finding at 13+miles I do not even need anything during the race. This weekend I am going to bring a little baggie of almonds and dried unsweetened cranberries and I think I probably wont even eat it. I do need salt-so I only need salt tablets and a nuun.

Aside from racing-before I used to have to really watch my fruit consumption-I hardly ate any. I would gain weight. Now, with emphasis on the fats, it is protein that will make me gain. I do not eat tons of fruit, but there is no real spike in my blood sugar when I eat it. My LP IR score was a 4 last month.

I am really never hungry but I used to be hungry all the time-even with eggs and bacon for breakfast. And this is why I had to find a way to race, eat and live without cravings--just eating primally, it never cured my cravings and food addiction. Essentially doubling my fat and lowering the other values I have done this. I am sure it is a leptin issue.

I feel like I am running on rocket fuel about 5 miles in. I can't wait to get up 20+ miles and see how it goes.

I look forward to your report. Your post sounds familiar to me. I've never raced, but I have been getting more and more hungry. I've been eating a little more fruit and it doesn't seem to be hurting me. But maybe I need to once more try the more fat thing because I'm getting really hungry the more I run. I, too, feel a surge like rocket fuel a few miles in. I figure that's when my body has finally relented to burn its own fat. Sadly, my body seems to want to hold onto all its fat no matter what I do. Even burning a little bit off doesn't seem to phase my body. It knows how to make me put it all right back on.