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    Primal children- how to transition them when they are resistant?

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    I have a daughter who has sensitivity to wheat. She is 9. She no longer gets eczema all over her body from eating wheat, so she believes she is cured. I now have a 6 month old son who at 2 weeks had internal bleeding from the wheat I was eating (and strangely I had not been eating wheat for a long time because of my daughter, and suddenly when I was pregnant it stopped giving me adverse affects, so i stared eating some, so it was strange when it hit my breast feeding son so rapidly.) because of my son's issues, I eat gluten free, dairy free, and cannot have bananas or cashews. Trying not to eat other nuts too often because of potential allergies developing. Limiting nuts makes this harder.

    My daughter wants to eat bread all the time, particularly turkey and cheese sandwiches, pasta, and rice. She has been doing Ezekial bread for years, which seems less inclined to cause external symptoms. She is clearly hypoglycemic. I want to change her diet and have her go primal as well (want my husband to do it too). She wants no part of it, and wants to eat sugar all the time though we have talked many times about how it is not good for her. I can't do it without my husband's support, and I don't know how to deal with school lunches, going over to friends' houses, etc. She has been relatively trim all her life, but is starting now to get a little chunky now. I also don't want to make her obsessed about food or weight.

    Has anyone worked on changing their children's diets and dealing with issues of them not wanting to change, and school lunches (she does not want things we can provide without bread, and my husband does not want the difficulty) and friend's houss? How much of a say should she have? What do I say to her so she understands how importnt this is for her health?

    Any advice would be appreciated.

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    SOrry that I don't have any advice, really.

    This is something for you and your husband to figure out, and just do your best and try not to worry too much, ok?

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    Well this is a very difficult situation. Maybe you could start one meal at a time, ie dinner. Primal dinners truly are delicious, surely if you cook them, your husband and daughter will happily eat them. If you don't buy or cook pasta, they can't eat it, can they?

    Next you could consider breakfast, I buy rice bubbles for my 11yo dd, to me they are pretty much a non food but at least they are not wheat or corn so probably not too irritating for her. I buy both the sweetened yoghurt and the greek full fat and mix the two, this is creamy and sweet enough for her and my dh. (You need not let them see you doing it). But my sneakiest way of turning her primal is to leave some dinner leftovers in the fridge where she will see them and want them for breakfast, lol.

    But lunches truly are difficult. I buy the thinnest sliced white bread I can find, then provide lots of primal fillings such as leftover cooked chicken, or I toast it with butter and cheese and she takes the toasties to school. Also, she only takes one sandwich, the rest of her lunch is fruit, nuts, maybe a sliced carrot, a treat such as primal balls or ricebubble slice (or something non primal that seems to always find its way into the house such as home baking by my mum or ladies from church - I do not ask for this stuff honestly, but it happens). You could probably find nut bars that are primal ingredients such as honey and sesame seed or something.

    For her afternoon snack I provide bananas, berries and milk so she can make smoothies, I would actually even make it for her if I truly wanted her to have it or she is especially hungry or tired or whatever. So she sees that I think it's worth it. If I've made myself vege soup for lunch, I save her a cupful and just heat in the microwave, she eats it because she is hungry and I put it in front of her. But she does like it.

    I'm sure my situation is easier than yours because she does not have serious health reasons why I need her not to eat wheat, I just try to make other things to be the easier and more attractive option.
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    I think you need to get a bit tougher, but without depriving your daughter of bread altogether. For example, allowing her to have a single sandwich each day is probably not too bad. For your dinners, make more primal meals. Meat and veg is not that difficult, and I think kids can adapt to it.

    Honestly, I allow my kids to have a sandwich for lunch for the simple fact that it's easier (or they have a sourdough wrap or something), but the rest of the time they don't eat wheat/bread very often. Occasionally I make pasta for them, or allow them to have noodles. I just make it more occasional than it used to be!

    It is difficult, I know. I have one child who is quite overweight, and I am really trying to work with him to get him to dump the sugar and bread. Mostly he's stopped having bread, and the last time I made pasta he didn't have much pasta at all (knowing he shouldn't have it), but I have a hard time stopping him having lollies etc. when his siblings get them (not frequently... but I do give in on occasion). He's using stevia/erythritol sweetener for drinks now, which is a good change... but we've still got a little way to go (he's 14, so he is old enough to start to understand WHY he shouldn't be having grains and sugars). The other kids, unfortunately, think it's all about weight loss, and as they're not overweight, they don't want to ditch their precious grains!! Still, I cook primal dinners 90% of the time, which benefits them as well.

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    You're the parent. Toughen up the rules. If she's hungry, she will eat what you tell her to, if not, tough. A missed meal or 2 will not kill anyone and will instill some discipline. There was no question of talking back to my parents or telling them I didn't want to eat something when I was a child, and I grew up to be a functional adult.
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    I have a 12yr old who was initially quite keen to try primal until she realised how different her diet would be to how she normally ate - she was an absolute carb fiend! I was tough and just stopped buying things that are non primal - we have a drawer that contains any of the remaining non primal foods to be used as treats (and I mean treats like they used to be when I was a kid - maybe once a week if that rather than every day!) but everything in the pantry is primal. So she has no choice but to eat primal at home, out of the house is a different story but I am hoping over time she will learn that sugar/bread etc doesn't make her feel good and she will make better choices. I have tried to make the transition easier for her by baking primal banana bread, coconut pancakes/waffles etc and I do have gluten free bread in the freezer for the times she is absolutely desperate for bread. Her favourite thing pre-primal was nutella sandwiches, so I made nutella for her (the ingredients are all actually primal, but its still not really an every day food) and she has that on the banana bread or uses it to dip fruit in and it satisfies her craving. My top tip to success would be be organised and plan ahead - on the weekend I make things like coconut pancakes/waffles, banana bread muffins, muffin sized frittatas and they all get packaged individually and frozen, I also freeze leftover smoothie in icepop moulds and I cut up heaps of carrots sticks and pop those in the fridge. So she can quickly grab something for breakfast and lunch on those rushed mornings and when she gets home from school starving there are plenty of choices for her. She is on day 17 of being totally primal at home and while there have been occasional tantrums in the beginning she has done really well at accepting the change, she still misses bread but she has done so much better than her father!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edenmb View Post
    Has anyone worked on changing their children's diets and dealing with issues of them not wanting to change, and school lunches (she does not want things we can provide without bread, and my husband does not want the difficulty) and friend's houss? How much of a say should she have? What do I say to her so she understands how importnt this is for her health?

    Any advice would be appreciated.
    None of the kids willingly gave up bread in our house. (at the supermarket: "daddy, can we please buy a loaf of bread? please? just one loaf of bread?")

    The rule we've fallen into is that we control all of the food in our house, but we don't make a big deal of what they eat away from home. So if we're at a shared lunch or something, they can eat whatever junk food they want. Because really, what we want is for them to learn to listen to their bodies, and letting them eat things which make them feel bad can help them to make a better connection to their bodies.

    My wife has our 8yo girl on a gluten/dairy/nightshade elimination diet at the moment (and my daughter REALLY misses cream, particularly when we have something like banana splits and she has to have coconut cream instead).

    At the end of the day, it's her body and you and her both have to accept that ultimately she is the person who controls what goes in her body. Your home doesn't need to be an 'enabler' though
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    keep buying the gluten free bread until she's old enough to understand that she's still sick. Grace & I really like Glutino. I'm kind of with Damiana on this one though. YOU buy the groceries. Therefore, YOU control the food she eats.
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    Wish my parents would've helped me make better choices, I was obese by the age of 14! I had to figure it all out on my own. Sorry I can't help out too much, but it's my understanding that white rice and oats are the least offensive grains. I still think grains are not real food though. Good luck to you!
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    Show her the movie 'Fathead'. It has a very good explanation of how sugars and starches work in our bodies, readily accessible for kids. Watch it several times. All three of my kids had their attitudes really changed by it. (Me, too!) It is not about gluten, per se, but it really starts the thinking about how things work inside our bodies, and gets you thinking about viewing things critically. You could also have her read some posts from his blog. ots of good stuff there, presented in an easy to understand 9and funny) format.

    You are in charge, but unless she understands what is going on, she will be no more than a grudging participant, who will break free as soon as the opportunity arises. That said, if it is not in the house, she won't be eating it regularly, and might notice the ill effects when she does more dramatically. Keep plenty of the good stuff that she does enjoy on hand, though. Make it easy for her to find food she likes and don't give her a reason to feel like there's nothing good to eat.

    You could have her do a science experiment on herself, strict compliance vs. NOT. Offer a reward of something that really motivates her for trying it and analyzing her experience.

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