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    Is it time to put a muzzle on free speech?

    It's always been the backbone of our freedoms, but I doubt the founding fathers ever imagined anyone's opinions would move beyond our shores. I think the original idea was to give the people of the USA the right to criticize our government without fearing prosecution. How does that gives someone the right to spew their hatred of other people/countries over the WWW via youtube?

    We aren't one small nation in a big world anymore. Should there be consequences for those that hide behind our rights and use their words to cause death and distruction abroad? If this happened on our shores, I think these people would be charged with hate crimes.

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    Speech should remain free. It's up to the individual to weigh their actions and the consequences of those actions.

    No amount of government intervention will change that (and frankly, your rights should never be given away to such a colossally inept organization as a government).
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    Quote Originally Posted by keithpowers View Post
    Speech should remain free. It's up to the individual to weigh their actions and the consequences of those actions.

    No amount of government intervention will change that (and frankly, your rights should never be given away to such a colossally inept organization as a government).
    I don't disagree with you~ but what consequences for the maker/poster of that video? Looks to me he got what he wanted at the expense of innocent people. And now America looks bad ~ like we're letting him get away with it so we're all haters too.

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    What video are you talking about? Link?

    And no, speech being too free is not one of the world's problems. It is not your business nor anyone else's to be telling me what I can or cannot say, unless I am defaming, threatening or directly endangering someone by speaking.

    There is no end to what someone, somewhere will find offensive. If we start restricting speech based on offense we will very quickly end up in a situation where no one can freely say much of anything. Oh yeah, also, no one has a right not to be offended. You do have a right not to listen to people who are saying offensive things, but you don't get to make them stop saying them.

    I can't see myself ever bending on that score.

    But I would like to know what video you're talking about, because I am all for restricting speech that calls for violence against groups or individuals.
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    It's not about the video. The video is a lame excuse. Does anyone really think it's a coincidence that it happened on 9/11?

    And for free speech, there is no such right to not be offended. In the same vein, we are all responsible for our actions, and so really the only ones responsible for the rioters' actions are the rioters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana Renata View Post
    It's not about the video. The video is a lame excuse. Does anyone really think it's a coincidence that it happened on 9/11?

    And for free speech, there is no such right to not be offended. In the same vein, we are all responsible for our actions, and so really the only ones responsible for the rioters' actions are the rioters.
    So, it's okay to bully? slander? What about yelling *fire* in a theater, or *bomb* on a plane? There are some exceptions to free speech, wouldn't you say? If you knew saying a specific something would bring another person/group to violence against others, do you still have the 'right' to say it? Morally, ethically? IDK, some people have a short fuse (thinking about road rage here, not any group in particular). Whatever happened to *Discretion is the better part of valor*?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nady View Post
    So, it's okay to bully? slander? What about yelling *fire* in a theater, or *bomb* on a plane? There are some exceptions to free speech, wouldn't you say? If you knew saying a specific something would bring another person/group to violence against others, do you still have the 'right' to say it? Morally, ethically? IDK, some people have a short fuse (thinking about road rage here, not any group in particular). Whatever happened to *Discretion is the better part of valor*?
    These riots are bullying. The very fact that a stupid, poorly made video brings people to a murderous rampage reflects poorly on those doing the murdering, does it not? If one is so sensitive that a video incites violence, it is THEIR shortcoming, not the creator of a video (which I still say is merely an excuse, and not the ACTUAL reason for the riots on our embassies.)

    We have 2 separate points here. The first is how radical Muslims react to videos, cartoons, and any sort of perceived "slander" towards their religion. They cut off heads to protest somebody accusing them of cutting off heads. It's, at its core, childish, at the very least. There is no defending that kind of behavior, in any sane manner. Perhaps next time I am offended by an Obama bumper sticker, I shall shoot the driver of the car? After all, they offended me with their hideous sticker! Maybe they shouldn't have put it on their car.

    The second point, the attacks on our embassies and the murder of an Ambassador. This had nothing what so ever to do with a poorly made video. It was planned, and timed for September 11th as part of an ongoing war. It's nothing short of a slap in the face for which we should rightfully bomb the ever living snot out of them, turning the entire region into an epic sheet of glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana Renata View Post
    These riots are bullying. The very fact that a stupid, poorly made video brings people to a murderous rampage reflects poorly on those doing the murdering, does it not? If one is so sensitive that a video incites violence, it is THEIR shortcoming, not the creator of a video (which I still say is merely an excuse, and not the ACTUAL reason for the riots on our embassies.)

    We have 2 separate points here. The first is how radical Muslims react to videos, cartoons, and any sort of perceived "slander" towards their religion. They cut off heads to protest somebody accusing them of cutting off heads. It's, at its core, childish, at the very least. There is no defending that kind of behavior, in any sane manner. Perhaps next time I am offended by an Obama bumper sticker, I shall shoot the driver of the car? After all, they offended me with their hideous sticker! Maybe they shouldn't have put it on their car.

    The second point, the attacks on our embassies and the murder of an Ambassador. This had nothing what so ever to do with a poorly made video. It was planned, and timed for September 11th as part of an ongoing war. It's nothing short of a slap in the face for which we should rightfully bomb the ever living snot out of them, turning the entire region into an epic sheet of glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecole66 View Post
    If I were not already married I would ask for your hand in marriage. Great post!
    lol - I was thinking the same thing when I read her post.

    In the end, we're all responsible for our own actions. No one can "make you" kill someone. Every wife beater in the world claims, "She made me hit her." It's a lame excuse in the singular and it's a lame excuse for the mob mentality.

    We teach little kids that "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never harm me." If we expect little kids to get it, surely we should expect the same impulse control from adults.

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