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    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    This is not a "slippery slope pipe"....there is no slope.....they have made a decision for you regarding what you may ingest. Precedent is set. I don't see how anyone can miss that point? Government deems it unhealthy? Banned.
    They haven't made a decision about you may ingest. You can still drink coke. You can still drink as much of it as you desire.

    And the precedent was set a long time ago. There are a lot of controlled substances.

    Meanwhile stop-and-frisk, drone flights and the Patriot Act continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    They haven't made a decision about you may ingest. You can still drink coke. You can still drink as much of it as you desire.

    And the precedent was set a long time ago. There are a lot of controlled substances.

    Meanwhile stop-and-frisk, drone flights and the Patriot Act continue.
    The power to regulate is the power to prohibit. Today the limit might be 12 oz, but nothing prevents them from lowering that down to 12 fluid millimeters. And what does stop and frisk, drones, or the Patriot Act have to do with the discussion at hand? I'm pretty sure most of us opposed to Herr Bloomberg's Soda Cup ban are also strong opponents of the abuses of the NYCPD and Washington too. The point is, we have to fight government abuse at all levels and in all forms whether it be taxes, soda regulations, indefinite detention, pornography bans, drug laws, or whatever. The more issues the government has to defend against, the weaker it becomes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwbooth View Post
    the power to regulate is the power to prohibit. Today the limit might be 12 oz, but nothing prevents them from lowering that down to 12 fluid millimeters. And what does stop and frisk, drones, or the patriot act have to do with the discussion at hand? I'm pretty sure most of us opposed to herr bloomberg's soda cup ban are also strong opponents of the abuses of the nycpd and washington too. The point is, we have to fight government abuse at all levels and in all forms whether it be taxes, soda regulations, indefinite detention, pornography bans, drug laws, or whatever. The more issues the government has to defend against, the weaker it becomes.
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    By the way, Bloomberg is also the same benevolent dictator that has banned feeding the homeless in some places due to unhealthy food donated. Now, I know a lot of shelf-stable foods are often atrocious nutrition-wise, but I think eating anything vs. starving to death is a no-brainer. Bloomberg is a Nazi. The ultimate control freak. He is scary as hell.

    Let me reiterate: This is not about soda. This is about 100 little sodas becoming one soda ordeal, like the Patriot Act. Liberty is not lost all at once; it's slowly chipped away, piece by piece. And when they have accumulated enough confidence in their ability to control people, they take giant leaps towards totalitarianism with huge losses to freedom such as NDAA and the TSA pat downs. Every freedom lost is a big deal. Don't ignore sniffles; they could be the early symptoms of developing pneumonia. Sort of like don't ignore those 10-15 vanity pounds that you gain over the holidays, if left unattended they could add up to 200 excess lbs of fat, little by little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    I guess you guys probably don't believe in vaccinations either. "Freedom of choice" -- until your kid makes mine sick.
    How would your kid get sick if he/she was vaccinated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMonkey View Post
    Despite Europe having its share of problems, our style of government has allowed for some of the lowest rates of obesity, poverty, reoffending and crime, and the highest rates of literacy, intelligence, height and happiness in the developed world. I don't like big government, but it worked. Meanwhile 'murica is a country defined by the stark contrast between super rich and super poor and a healthcare system that costs billions, yet is totally inferior to systems like Frances. You have the highest prison population in terms of absolute and relative terms. So what exactly are you bashing again?
    Your argument is akin to one prison is more accommodating than another and completely ignores the point that planned societies have a historical track record of failure, but more importantly they take all dignity and confidence away from people. When people do not have to think for themselves or take responsibility for their lives, they become weak, feeble, and unmotivated. Confidence comes from people achieving success on their own. It comes from having the choice to help others and not being forced to do so at gunpoint. So other countries are more successful, but compared to WHAT? Compared to each other? Every country has its own form of enslavement, just because some allow a fraction more freedom or a bit more "security" than another is not commendable. It's still condoning theft, violence, and enslavement.

    Humans are not animals that need or want caretakers. If chickens knew why a farmer was feeding them, they wouldn't eat their food.
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    Just wait til the government takes over health care. They know they can't afford to take care of everyone if we are sick all the time, so it will be making more of these rules to keep us "healthy"!! Bigger Government=less freedom!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWBooth View Post
    The power to regulate is the power to prohibit. Today the limit might be 12 oz, but nothing prevents them from lowering that down to 12 fluid millimeters. And what does stop and frisk, drones, or the Patriot Act have to do with the discussion at hand?
    To recap: future, hypothetical abuses that may result from a soda pop size limit are germane but real life abuses are "off-topic". Unbelievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j3nn View Post
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    You quoted for truth an incredibly ridiculous argument. (See above). Nice job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j3nn View Post
    Your argument is akin to one prison is more accommodating than another and completely ignores the point that planned societies have a historical track record of failure, but more importantly they take all dignity and confidence away from people.
    We can plan societies through government or we can leave it to the rich.

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