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    de·tox·i·fi·ca·tion   [dee-tok-suh-fi-key-shuhn]
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    1.Biochemistry . the metabolic process by which toxins are changed into less toxic or more readily excretable substances.
    2.the act of detoxifying.
    3.the state of being detoxified.
    4.a period of medical treatment, usually including counseling, during which a person is helped to overcome physical and psychological dependence on alcohol or drugs.

    There is a lot of talk about belief in "detox". Well belief (confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof) is an emotional state and that tells a lot about how you view something.

    by definition number 1 we as human organisms detox any toxin that we excrete... period... if it came out (tears, sweat, piss, shit, breath) it was at some point toxic to our bodies. we also have a limit on the rate of excretion as well as the ability to excrete.

    What i am curious about is what are the definitions that skeptics attribute to the word detox.

    i am fully skeptical of the pseudo-medical use of the word detox as mush as i am the methods used to "encourage" detoxification.

    i think the common man or woman on the street somehow marries the concept of definition number 4 with number 1 and thinks they required some "snake oil" to make them clean as a whistle... bullshit except in certain cases.

    so lets the games begin. lets debunk detox
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    I'm not sure the water in my tears was ever toxic, but yeah, detox is probably bandied about a little too often as an explanation of other kinds of adjustments the body has to make to changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quelsen View Post
    Communication is a two way street. the only way we ever communicate includes making certain we agree on terms.

    de·tox·i·fi·ca·tion   [dee-tok-suh-fi-key-shuhn]
    noun
    1.Biochemistry . the metabolic process by which toxins are changed into less toxic or more readily excretable substances.
    2.the act of detoxifying.
    3.the state of being detoxified.
    4.a period of medical treatment, usually including counseling, during which a person is helped to overcome physical and psychological dependence on alcohol or drugs.

    There is a lot of talk about belief in "detox". Well belief (confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof) is an emotional state and that tells a lot about how you view something.

    by definition number 1 we as human organisms detox any toxin that we excrete... period... if it came out (tears, sweat, piss, shit, breath) it was at some point toxic to our bodies. we also have a limit on the rate of excretion as well as the ability to excrete.

    What i am curious about is what are the definitions that skeptics attribute to the word detox.

    i am fully skeptical of the pseudo-medical use of the word detox as mush as i am the methods used to "encourage" detoxification.

    i think the common man or woman on the street somehow marries the concept of definition number 4 with number 1 and thinks they required some "snake oil" to make them clean as a whistle... bullshit except in certain cases.

    so lets the games begin. lets debunk detox
    Lucky you, if you don't have to detox to get healthy. What's your excuse for poor health?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paleo-bunny View Post
    Lucky you, if you don't have to detox to get healthy. What's your excuse for poor health?
    Can you explain your comment?
    Last edited by quelsen; 09-14-2012 at 06:13 AM.
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    I think there are a lot of pseudo-sci peddlers of potions out there who will sell you something toxic and then tell you that the reaction you are having to it is a "normal detox reaction". Examples, mega does of iodine, clear symptoms of iodine poisoning explained away as bromine detox. Also there is a guy on the net selling something called MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement purported to cure everything from herpes to hangnails to cancer. It is pool disinfectant. (Not making this up.) So you take this stuff and, surprise surprise, end up in the bathroom puking and pooping your guts out. But this is good. It is "detoxifying". Yeahright.

    This is the kind of nonsense that comes to mind when the term "detox" gets tossed around.

    I do think that there are toxins that are stored by our bodies in our fat cells that may be released as we lose weight. If someone lost a LOT of weight in a VERY short amount of time, as you did Honey Badger, I can see that there might be some detox symptoms as you have described. I don't deny that those experiences are real. I just think that they are not something that is going to be experienced by the average person looking to lose 30 pounds on Primal. There would not be a big enough quantity of toxins hitting the metabolism all at once to be a problem.

    There would probably also be some variation from person to person in this depending on the health of the liver involved.

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    I think when people hear "detox", they think laxative/diuretic based "herbal blends" that "purify" the body and "increases physical, mental, and spiritual energy". Bunch of pseudo medical woo.

    In terms of substance use, abstaining from use until the body is no longer influenced by the said substance... I agree, but this is dependent on your original biological process: metabolizing compounds and excreting them though waste products while repairing affected cells.

    I guess my point is, I agree... ...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joelwlcx View Post
    I think when people hear "detox", they think laxative/diuretic based "herbal blends" that "purify" the body and "increases physical, mental, and spiritual energy". Bunch of pseudo medical woo.

    In terms of substance use, abstaining from use until the body is no longer influenced by the said substance... I agree, but this is dependent on your original biological process: metabolizing compounds and excreting them though waste products while repairing affected cells.

    I guess my point is, I agree... ...?
    Don't forget the coffee enemas
    You're right, detoxing is a normal natural process that the body is fully capable of doing on its own if you just quit putting the toxic junk in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleobird View Post
    Don't forget the coffee enemas
    OMG! A new way to ingest coffee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by quelsen View Post
    That is not what this thread is about. this thread is about finding a definition of the work Detox that we can all agree to.
    solutions for smokers are down the hall to the left. :-)
    I think that was a bot gotcha there Honey Badger. see sig.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoCowgirl View Post
    I have tried everything from fasting, to oil pulling, to aloe vera juice, to epsom salt baths, to activated charcoal and D. earth. I guess that means I drink the detox Koolaid. I think our body holds onto lots of toxins in lots of different ways and clean eating and avoiding modern-day poisons is the best way to be healthy, but how to rid the body of those toxins? I'm not sure what's best. How long, for example, does gluten stick around after an exposure? Do you have to "start over" when eating clean and having a cheat?

    This is a discussion I hope others chime in on. What works? What doesn't? Is there any real way to detox the body?
    The body will detox itself all by itself if we just get out of our own way and stop ingesting poisons as much as is possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by catholicchick View Post
    Quelson - I agree with your conclusion. As organisms we are pretty good at bad stuff in, bad stuff out. I am not sure that drinking aloe vera or the likes is going to rush this along. I must say that I haven't always felt this way - after a health battle and the surgeries I had, I did the hydrocolonic thing to rid myself of the meds. That said, didn't feel any different than before (I guess my wallet was a little lighter). Maybe this is something for Dr. Attia at NuSci?
    I think Peter is busy studying things like VLC for athletes at NuSI. That's here in SD. I wish I could go volunteer there or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoanieL View Post
    OMG! A new way to ingest coffee!
    HEHEHE. You could also set up a mainline drip.

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    That is not what this thread is about. this thread is about finding a definition of the work Detox that we can all agree to.



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