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    Well, to be sure, I never asserted that soy was the sole origin of the problem. I did, in fact, bring up several other possible elements such as chemicals in diapers for male children in particular, hormonal birth control, as well as waiting until later in life to have children to begin with (usually after being on hormonal birth control for years). We might also look at things like pollution (even "acceptable pollution" such as fluorinated water), and several other potential causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodorchid View Post
    no no, my uterus expells fetuses. my ovaries still work and are succulent and eggy

    i consider myself part of the human race, when i say 'we' or 'our' i mean that on average the race i belong to is genetically weakened

    you seem to feel as tho when i say 'we' i say 'you'

    don't be so touchy
    Okay, I don't believe that you (or really anybody) have the aptitude to "average" out 7 billion people - not without the largest and most complex polling project ever conducted. God knows I have enough trouble getting a good grasp on my own life and that of my family and social circle, so I don't even bother trying to presume to tell other people what to do with their lives. Needless to say, you're free to continue your cries for the government (or whatever other body) to assault people's bodies to make it conform to your philosophical worldview. Dream away, just as long as you keep your hands off mine and my family's bodies.

    Also, I wouldn't be too sure about your uterus being "succulent". Not that it matters either way.

    (By the way, human beings are a species. Races are subsets within the species.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodorchid View Post
    no no, my uterus expells fetuses. my ovaries still work and are succulent and eggy

    i consider myself part of the human race, when i say 'we' or 'our' i mean that on average the race i belong to is genetically weakened

    you seem to feel as tho when i say 'we' i say 'you'

    don't be so touchy
    The image this conjured made me chuckle. Sounds like 'expelling fetuses' is characteristic of your uterus .. like it just pops 'em out on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBrennan View Post
    Okay, I don't believe that you (or really anybody) have the aptitude to "average" out 7 billion people - not without the largest and most complex polling project ever conducted. God knows I have enough trouble getting a good grasp on my own life and that of my family and social circle, so I don't even bother trying to presume to tell other people what to do with their lives. Needless to say, you're free to continue your cries for the government (or whatever other body) to assault people's bodies to make it conform to your philosophical worldview. Dream away, just as long as you keep your hands off mine and my family's bodies.

    Also, I wouldn't be too sure about your uterus being "succulent". Not that it matters either way.

    (By the way, human beings are a species. Races are subsets within the species.)
    What? Your whole deal is about how low sperm is typical across the board. As a male you wouldn't say "We have low sperm" to characterize the state of the average male? It can be true despite exceptions to the rule, that's the way that kind of statement works. Like saying "Birds can fly"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
    Well, to be sure, I never asserted that soy was the sole origin of the problem. I did, in fact, bring up several other possible elements such as chemicals in diapers for male children in particular, hormonal birth control, as well as waiting until later in life to have children to begin with (usually after being on hormonal birth control for years). We might also look at things like pollution (even "acceptable pollution" such as fluorinated water), and several other potential causes.
    Oh yeah, I recognize that (and acknowledged some of those other ideas in my post).

    The diaper notion wouldn't address the fact that so many of the (few) children who are being born are boys, although I agree that that could theoretically harm the baby's lifelong fertility, in some manner. Though that seems to be kind of a stretch.

    As far as fluoride goes, yeah, there's nothing good that can be said about this poisonous chemical, and I've heard that it has a steady deleterious effect on thyroid function. If so, then that means that it directly suppresses hormones, which could well mean that it also impacts fertility (fluoride obviously suppresses sex drive in the first place, so it's off to a bad start right there).

    Here's the CBC documentary, 'The Disappearing Male', I referenced a few pages back (which misdirects people to BPA as being the sole culprit for this epidemic, which is a silly theory on its face - it's so limiting it is like saying that OJ Simpson was responsible for every stabbing murder in American history.) Like I noted earlier, when that was posted to YouTube (it's since been stripped, at least in the U.S.), all of the replies were celebrating this bizarre epidemic, diminished fertility, and insidious assault on people. "Our good Mother Earth is being saved from us terrible people. Yay, assaulting testicles and wombs!" was the basic gist of the responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBrennan View Post
    Okay, I don't believe that you (or really anybody) have the aptitude to "average" out 7 billion people - not without the largest and most complex polling project ever conducted. God knows I have enough trouble getting a good grasp on my own life and that of my family and social circle, so I don't even bother trying to presume to tell other people what to do with their lives. Needless to say, you're free to continue your cries for the government (or whatever other body) to assault people's bodies to make it conform to your philosophical worldview. Dream away, just as long as you keep your hands off mine and my family's bodies.

    Also, I wouldn't be too sure about your uterus being "succulent". Not that it matters either way.

    (By the way, human beings are a species. Races are subsets within the species.)
    i have no desire to put my hands on any part of your body

    you haven't even taken me out to dinner. you cad. you brute.

    and my ovaries are the succulent ones, i've seen them on ultrasound and everything

    Quote Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
    The image this conjured made me chuckle. Sounds like 'expelling fetuses' is characteristic of your uterus .. like it just pops 'em out on a regular basis.
    it makes hydraulic noises too, that's how i know to brace myself for what's coming
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    yeah you are

    I mean there's so many ants in my eyes! And there are so many TVs, microwaves, radios... I think, I can't, I'm not 100% sure what we have here in stock.. I don't know because I can't see anything! Our prices, I hope, aren't too low!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
    What? Your whole deal is about how low sperm is typical across the board. As a male you wouldn't say "We have low sperm" to characterize the state of the average male? It can be true despite exceptions to the rule, that's the way that kind of statement works. Like saying "Birds can fly"
    First off, no, I never said, "We have low sperm." (In point of fact, I would strongly suspect that there are individuals who know precisely why this is happening since they're making it happen in the first place. Therefore, it wouldn't apply to them, and so I wouldn't say, "We". I just don't think like that or talk like that. Maybe you do, but don't project your collectivist/communist worldview onto me please.)

    Secondly, this is, to my knowledge, localized to countries with people of European descent. I certainly haven't heard of this happening in Thailand or Nigeria or whatever. So then projecting it globally would be inaccurate there, too.

    Anyway, the larger thing is just the sense of control and ownership that comes with the terms, "We" and "Us". As if you're shareholders in my body and my life (or vice versa). You're not. I don't know, maybe it's just semantics, but I'm seeing that terminology more and more, and it kinda creeps me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBrennan View Post
    First off, no, I never said, "We have low sperm." (In point of fact, I would strongly suspect that there are individuals who know precisely why this is happening since they're making it happen in the first place. Therefore, it wouldn't apply to them, and so I wouldn't say, "We". I just don't think like that or talk like that. Maybe you do, but don't project your collectivist/communist worldview onto me please.)

    Secondly, this is, to my knowledge, localized to countries with people of European descent. I certainly haven't heard of this happening in Thailand or Nigeria or whatever. So then projecting it globally would be inaccurate there, too.

    Anyway, the larger thing is just the sense of control and ownership that comes with the terms, "We" and "Us". As if you're shareholders in my body and my life (or vice versa). You're not. I don't know, maybe it's just semantics, but I'm seeing that terminology more and more, and it kinda creeps me out.
    Sure, my point was really just that it's a way of speaking. I don't attach any meaning to it. I know you never said 'we,' but I thought you did say the WHO had to calculate a new average (I figured that was an average given all men). Then the typical man would have a low count, and you as a man might say 'we have low sperm count'. I mean imagine yourself as an ambassador to an alien planet or something, and you're asked to report on the status of fertility on earth. I meant nothing more, and I think bloodorchid meant nothing more when saying that 'we are sick.' But now I'm late and must run, later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grok View Post
    If everyone is in such a sorry situation where nobody can help anyone else out, then the government isn't going to help you either.

    I wasn't there in Katrina, but I heard the government did a really lousy job. Rounding up people's guns and such.

    You would be much better off actually preparing for disaster yourself rather than having the money you would have spent on disaster preparation stolen from you by the government so they can pay outrageous salaries and benefits to FEMA employees who do nothing but go around and take all your guns when a hurricane strikes.
    What I meant by 'being in the same boat' is that we would all be dealing with the same disaster, whether that meant a flood, hurricane, tornado, etc. Everyone would be struggling to keep it together. And people do tend to help each other out where they can, for the most part. During the flood here in Nashville people with boats were helping rescue those trapped, in Florida where I grew up people with chainsaws helped clear downed trees after hurricanes, cleared roads and so on. Of course there are always opportunists who seek to make money off of the victims of disasters, which I doubt would change under a different political system. Some people are just bastards.

    Katrina was an absolute cluster-fuck if there ever was one. I was living overseas at the time and wasn't aware of the gun confiscation, but New Orleans has been a bastion of corruption forever, so it doesn't surprise me. I did a search and it appears the local police were rounding up guns, not the government, per se. The handling of the disaster is a perfect example of how not to do things. Gut instinct tells me that there were ulterior motives behind it, paranoid as that may sound to some. I'm not a huge fan of government, large or otherwise, in general. But I'm also not naive enough to think that lack of government is the answer either. Our particular two party system doesn't work. I would prefer a parliamentary system (perhaps) that forced more accountability and cooperation. And we need a more informed populous that is willing to get involved and police the corruption. How to accomplish that . . . I don't know.

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