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    How do I convince Dr. and husband that his cholesterol is okay? Is it okay?

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    His numbers are

    LDL 192
    HDL 76
    TRI 35
    total cholesterol 275

    I asked about the particle size and the nurse gave me another LdL # of 1720--she said this is supposed to be less than 1000 but I don't know what it means! Does anyone know what this is? She informed me that the Dr. wanted to move his appointment to get him on statins right away!!!

    I have to go into the follow up appointment armed to the teeth with info. My husband just eats what I give him--I am going to have to convince him too!!!

    And my husband has lost 75 lbs. He is 6'2" and weighs 200. Had awesome BP at visit.

    I went for my bloodwork at same dr. but I don't have the results yet. I am sure mine will be sky high--I eat 60% saturated fat. My husband eats 3 meals and 2 snacks--all primal. I IF daily and eat tons of coconut oil and grassfed butter.

    I haven't told my husband yet because I don't want him to freak out on me. I have read Griff's primer--not sure if that is enough to convince them both? Ideas?

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    I like this calculator: Cholesterol HDL/LDL/Triglycerides Ratios Calculator

    For your hubby, the results are...

    Your Total Cholesterol of 275 is HIGH RISK
    Your LDL of 192 is VERY HIGH RISK
    Your HDL of 76 is OPTIMAL
    Your Triglyceride level of 35 is NORMAL

    RATIOS:

    Your Total Cholesterol/HDL ratio is: 3.62 - (preferably under 5.0, ideally under 3.5) GOOD
    Your HDL/LDL ratio is: 0.396 - (preferably over 0.3, ideally over 0.4) GOOD
    Your triglycerides/HDL ratio is: 0.461 - (preferably under 4, ideally under 2) IDEAL
    Many folks say that cholesterol test results should be taken with a grain of salt; however, his LDL is pretty damn high. I'm sure others will have better advice.
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    Using information from Griff's Cholesterol Primer (which you read):

    "However, there is a newer equation, called the Iranian Equation, that does a better job of calculating LDL when trigs are below 100. That equation is:
    (Total/1.19) + (Trig/1.9) - (HDL/1.1) -38 = LDL"

    So plugging in your husband's numbers:

    (275/1.19) + (35/1.9) - (76/1.1) - 38 = ?

    231 + 18.5 - 69 - 38 = 142.5

    LDL equals 142.5

    I don't know about you, but with good ratios, and a borderline LDL - statins are questionable without a clearer understanding from the dr about the size of the LDL. You pay the doctor so get the answers you want.
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    Ask the doctor and your husband to show you the research that indicated statins are effective in those without a previous heart attack. They can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    Ask the doctor and your husband to show you the research that indicated statins are effective in those without a previous heart attack. They can't.
    ^ and this too.
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    On Track your plaque I am reading that the LDL particle number of 1720 is extremely high and overrides all the other indicators.

    there is a link on their forum to Jimmy Moore here : Got my NMR LipoProfile Results

    there is a posting by "Marc" that really explains the LDL particle number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by relaygirl View Post
    I haven't told my husband yet because I don't want him to freak out on me. I have read Griff's primer--not sure if that is enough to convince them both? Ideas?
    His ratios are what matters (most particularly, his Trig/HDL ratio). He has good ratios.

    I would love to have his numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by relaygirl View Post
    His numbers are

    LDL 192
    HDL 76
    TRI 35
    total cholesterol 275

    I asked about the particle size and the nurse gave me another LdL # of 1720--she said this is supposed to be less than 1000 but I don't know what it means! Does anyone know what this is? She informed me that the Dr. wanted to move his appointment to get him on statins right away!!!

    I have to go into the follow up appointment armed to the teeth with info. My husband just eats what I give him--I am going to have to convince him too!!!

    And my husband has lost 75 lbs. He is 6'2" and weighs 200. Had awesome BP at visit.

    I went for my bloodwork at same dr. but I don't have the results yet. I am sure mine will be sky high--I eat 60% saturated fat. My husband eats 3 meals and 2 snacks--all primal. I IF daily and eat tons of coconut oil and grassfed butter.

    I haven't told my husband yet because I don't want him to freak out on me. I have read Griff's primer--not sure if that is enough to convince them both? Ideas?
    Cholesterol levels are irrelevant to the risk of heart disease:

    Alt/Trad Medical Review

    It is inflammation that leads to the deposition of cholesterol on to arterial walls. Here are various links to medical studies discussing this fact:

    MedCapsules Forum - Arteriosclerosis/Atherosclerosis

    Statins may help to a small extent by reducing inflammation even though studies have shown that they really do not help. And statins are well known for causing heart failure by reducing CoQ10 levels leading to reduced ATP to the heart muscle:

    Elevating ATP for heart health

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    My CW boyfriend is a photographer, so he sometimes gets to sit in on medical lectures that he's covering. This week's was about cholesterol.

    It was hilarious because he'd start to tell me something the expert said, and I'd finish the sentence for him. She was absolutely right, and I was thrilled to hear someone in the medical community telling it like it is - total cholesterol is meaningless, ratios are more important, but the biggest predictor of a heart attack is your triglycerides. His are wonderful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesS View Post
    Statins may help to a small extent by reducing inflammation even though studies have shown that they really do not help. And statins are well known for causing heart failure by reducing CoQ10 levels leading to reduced ATP to the heart muscle...
    Not to mention screwing up your brain health and causing peripheral neuropathy because it removes the (needed) cholesterol from everywhere in your body.
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