Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 22

Thread: Any Thoughts on using Smith Machines and Stronglifts 5x5 program in primal page 2

  1. #11
    preacher's Avatar
    preacher is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Amherst, Virginia
    Posts
    20
    Shop Now
    Quote Originally Posted by primalrob View Post
    going for support is great, and there's still a lot you can do in a gym like that. you can do plenty of slow moving on the bikes, ellipticals, rowers, treadmills, etc., and you can get in some kick ass sprint workouts on those machines...especially the bikes. and, you can do a bunch of strength exercises too:
    ground to overheads with dumbbells\
    snatches
    farmers walks
    weighted bulgarian split squats (very difficult)
    goblet squats
    weighted everything, such as push ups
    that axe chopping move

    plus all the big movements using bodyweight, but using the gym equipment to make it more intense (if you're at that level), and plenty of plyo work.
    Awesome, you all have convinced me to step away from the smith. thanks for being here and looking out for me and my back. Have a military service injury (fused lower spine with screws) wanna keep moving forward without injury backups. Thanks again.

  2. #12
    Legbiter's Avatar
    Legbiter is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Iceland
    Posts
    461
    Smith machines are the devil. Find another gym.

  3. #13
    Neckhammer's Avatar
    Neckhammer is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    7,633
    Quote Originally Posted by Owly View Post
    Um, why would you avoid explosive movement? That makes no sense to me. Plyo work and such can be very useful.
    Depends on what you are calling explosive. Some people think its using your ligaments like rubber bands to assist your end range of motion and basically makes the lift easier. (think kipping pull ups or bouncing the weight of your chest in the bench press ect...) Sure your weight used may be a bit higher, but your tendons and ligaments suffer. Explosive is great in terms of coming out of your stance for football, or doing a proper full stop to full contraction with weights. Plyometrics is a bit high impact. It can be made safer, but I wouldn't bother with it unless I was still a competitive athlete.

  4. #14
    ecole66's Avatar
    ecole66 is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    106
    Quote Originally Posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Depends on what you are calling explosive. Some people think its using your ligaments like rubber bands to assist your end range of motion and basically makes the lift easier. (think kipping pull ups or bouncing the weight of your chest in the bench press ect...) Sure your weight used may be a bit higher, but your tendons and ligaments suffer. Explosive is great in terms of coming out of your stance for football, or doing a proper full stop to full contraction with weights. Plyometrics is a bit high impact. It can be made safer, but I wouldn't bother with it unless I was still a competitive athlete.
    Yup, you may not suffer the effects for years put plyo work and olympic style lifts take their toll over the years. I talk with several older gentlemen at the gym and they all suffer from tendinitis and sore joints in general from years of that kind of stuff. The book Body By Science covers this quit well.

  5. #15
    Dirlot's Avatar
    Dirlot is online now Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Edmonton Canada
    Posts
    2,425
    Quote Originally Posted by Owly View Post
    Plyo work and such can be very useful.
    Plyo work is the bomb!
    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
    PS
    Don't forget to play!

  6. #16
    EvRevFit's Avatar
    EvRevFit is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Sacramento, Ca
    Posts
    325
    Quote Originally Posted by ecole66 View Post
    Yup, you may not suffer the effects for years put plyo work and olympic style lifts take their toll over the years. I talk with several older gentlemen at the gym and they all suffer from tendinitis and sore joints in general from years of that kind of stuff. The book Body By Science covers this quit well.
    It depends on how you use them. If you specialize in them or don't take the time to strengthen your connective tissue (or any type of prehab), of course you'll end up with overuse injuries. If you train smart and use plyos and Oly lifts as part of a well-rounded program, you're less likely to end up injured.
    Josh Vernier, CPT

    My Journal

    Evolution Revolution Fitness

    "The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me."

    -Ayn Rand

  7. #17
    Owly's Avatar
    Owly is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    3,823
    Quote Originally Posted by ecole66 View Post
    Yup, you may not suffer the effects for years put plyo work and olympic style lifts take their toll over the years. I talk with several older gentlemen at the gym and they all suffer from tendinitis and sore joints in general from years of that kind of stuff. The book Body By Science covers this quit well.
    So does a lot of fun stuff, really. And the aches and pains of inactivity are worse. I think plyo work and oly lifts are fun, and I like developing more than just strength (and I'm really not training for size). I did a lot of plyo stuff when I was doing martial arts, and I still think it can be a good part of a program for me now.
    “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

    Owly's Journal

  8. #18
    EvRevFit's Avatar
    EvRevFit is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Sacramento, Ca
    Posts
    325
    Speaking of plyos, Coach Wade is supposed to be coming out with Convict Conditioning 3 next summer, where he'll focus pretty heavily on them.
    Josh Vernier, CPT

    My Journal

    Evolution Revolution Fitness

    "The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me."

    -Ayn Rand

  9. #19
    ecole66's Avatar
    ecole66 is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    106
    Quote Originally Posted by Owly View Post
    So does a lot of fun stuff, really. And the aches and pains of inactivity are worse. I think plyo work and oly lifts are fun, and I like developing more than just strength (and I'm really not training for size). I did a lot of plyo stuff when I was doing martial arts, and I still think it can be a good part of a program for me now.
    If you enjoy them then do them, I'm not trying to change your mind. I have seen the damage they do and choose to avoid them. I also train in HIT fashion and a lot of people disagree with that and that's okay. I am a 46 year old man with a business to run and a family to play with so time and mobility are very important to me. I do not train because it is fun, training is a means for me to enjoy activities with my kids and be an example to them. I spend less than an hour a week in the gym working extremely hard and then get the hell out. That's me though and I understand that others may feel otherwise.

  10. #20
    David Garner's Avatar
    David Garner is offline Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    18
    I'd prefer bodyweight to the Smith machine, but you can certainly use the Smith machine to do some of your lifts.

    I don't think it's compatible with Stronglifts 5x5. I'm doing that program now, and one of its chief benefits is all of the lifts work your core due to having to stabilize the weight yourself. The Smith machine takes that away in large part, and I don't think you'll see the same gains nor get the same benefit out of it. If you are lifting with a Smith machine, IMHO, you will need to supplement with some core exercises to get anywhere close to the same benefit. If you're going to do that, I'd just pick a few lifts for the Smith machine and concentrate most of your work around things like pullups, pushups, planks and other ab work, and any other exercise that will effectively work to strengthen your core.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •