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    I don't know.

    The indigenous humans of New Zealand ate the moa to extinction, and have particularly seasonal veggie foods: potato/sweet potato, a berry that has to be processed 17 times before it's edible, and several leafy greens that have seasons (there's a spinach, kavakava, and of course fiddleheads when they are in season, and a sort of "asparagus."

    the rest of their diet -- which is to say the majority -- is seafood -- paua and other mussels, fish of all kinds, and eel are all on the maori fishing calendar (there are seasons).

    Also, the maori sometimes ate each other (other tribes, usually -- and yes, there are documented cases).

    The aboriginals of Australia seem to eat the indigenous animals and the indigenous fruit and veggies -- which also seem to have a season. I don't know a ton about their diets per se.

    The aboriginals of the Americas have really diverse diets, but most of them are based in hunting and gathering, which also has distinct seasons, though many in the southwest north american and central american regions had the "three sisters" of maze, pumpkin, and beans (more cultivated foods), but also likely had the greatest food diversity and less animal diversity than those in the temperate bands who had more distinct seasons and times with snow.

    Really, looking at the way humans ate before we had the sort of farming and distribution we have now -- people in the tropical bands tend to eat more fruit and coconuts and veg because it's more readily available, then in the temperate bands, it goes to a more "paleo" as we understand it today version with seasonal foods and meats/fat. And finally, you head farther north or into arid areas in any band, and you see a predominately meat/milk/blood based diet.

    Just how it rolls out.

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    I left out seaweed and costal succulent herbs that the maori also used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodorchid View Post
    sure i do

    i have a very select and exclusive set of cares

    but i have a question for you. think back, back to time immemorial. how would ancestral man have eaten 80% carbs?

    sure, fruit is the easiest. but fruit season is short and fruit itself spoils quickly.

    okay let's go to fall with, perhaps, starchy tubers. the edible tuber season is a few weeks at most.

    80/10/10 is not paleo. nutritional ketosis is not paleo. back then man ate whatever he could find that he knew wouldn't kill him (and sometimes in famine he had to hope and guess that something growing was edible), through knowledge passed down vocally through elder tribe members who experienced poisoning or watched other tribe members die from eating poisonous plant matter

    vast periods of famine with not long enough periods of feast are paleo. bug eating is paleo. hunting and inner organ eating is paleo. numbers counting is not
    You're assuming man in a climate such as what you describe. African climates have carby foods available for a much greater duration. However in a large study of current hunter-gatherers, not a single one was vegan. Pretty clear to me that vegan is not paleo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    You're assuming man in a climate such as what you describe. African climates have carby foods available for a much greater duration. However in a large study of current hunter-gatherers, not a single one was vegan. Pretty clear to me that vegan is not paleo.
    AFAIK there has never been a vegan civilization in all of known prehistory OR history.
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    OP, I do agree there's a problem with eating to lose weight as being called "healthy" instead of eating to be virile, strong, and fast as "healthy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncephalized View Post
    AFAIK there has never been a vegan civilization in all of known prehistory OR history.
    You should visit San Francisco, Berkeley, Portland, and Olympia (WA).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiltondeportes View Post
    You should visit San Francisco, Berkeley, Portland, and Olympia (WA).
    San Francisco and Berkley? I can't even get through 10% of the amazing pasture raised meat restaurants available around here - pork belly prepared 5 ways, crispy peking duck, porchetta, whole fire roasted chickens....the bay area is a meat lovers paradise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncephalized View Post
    AFAIK there has never been a vegan civilization in all of known prehistory OR history.
    I'm sure there's been a few. They just didn't last more than a few months each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jammies View Post
    San Francisco and Berkley? I can't even get through 10% of the amazing pasture raised meat restaurants available around here - pork belly prepared 5 ways, crispy peking duck, pochetta, whole fire roasted chickens....the bay area is a meat lovers paradise.
    All I know is that over 50% of all girls I have known or met from these areas are vegetarian or vegan. It seems like a majority, not a minority.

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