EAT MOAR FAT! I'm finally GETTING it. page 59

[Lewis]

Obviosuly, the optimal solution is to get a blood ketone (well, really beta-OH butyrate) meter and test myself, but I am unwilling to shell out ...

Judging by the graph on Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt's site showing his blood ketones and urine ketones, the ketostix might not be as bad as people have feared.

The peaks and troughs do track each other somewhat, although things do go a bit adrift just past 4th September:

Experiment: Optimal Ketosis for Weight Loss and Improved Performance | DietDoctor.com

[yodiewan]

Judging by the graph on Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt's site showing his blood ketones and urine ketones, the ketostix might not be as bad as people have feared.

The peaks and troughs do track each other somewhat, although things do go a bit adrift just past 4th September:

Experiment: Optimal Ketosis for Weight Loss and Improved Performance | DietDoctor.com

Good info. Thanks, Lewis.

[Paleobird]

Anyway, Plaeobird, have you ever calculated the macros for the pate & could you share? I am putting it in as a commercial pork Liver Sausage atm.

I will find it and add it momentarily. Got it. This is based on 2lbs liver, 1 stick butter and 1 cup cream.

Nutritional Info
Servings Per Recipe: 12
Amount Per Serving :4oz
Calories: 263.2
Total Fat: 18.4 g
Cholesterol: 25.9 mg
Sodium: 1.3 mg
Total Carbs: 6.8 g
Dietary Fiber: 0.0 g
Protein: 23.4 g

I am making Multi-fat soup today. Broccoli base with Kerrygold cheese, onions, misc. spices, chopped bacon, bacon grease, coconut milk, heavy cream, a little tahini, and a little almond butter. I just taste it as I go and add ingredients to taste.

Can I come over for dinner? I'll bring my own spoon......

For those who have been doing the keto thing for a while or are at maintenance:

How do you handle those meals that are beyond conforming to keto? How did you recover from those....er.....breaks in the keto routine? How soon did you feel comfortable introducing the odd meal (which for my ratios would throw off the whole day!) into your day to day without it throwing stuff off?

Right now I am keeping the straight and narrow. However, at times I am going to want to break out and have a more relaxed approach to the odd meal now and then.

BTW, the fat bread is outstanding!!!

It is awesome. About "odd meals" I'm finding the only time those would even come up is when out with friends, so then I just IF and, if pressed, say "I already ate" or I do actually eat before going.

How much protein can you consume per meal and maintain sufficient ketone levels?

I'm interested in giving this a try during my deload week from the gym. I want to have as much protein as possible to maintain muscle mass, but I don't want to put myself in the "zone of misery" with too much. Obviosuly, the optimal solution is to get a blood ketone (well, really beta-OH butyrate) meter and test myself, but I am unwilling to shell out the cash for those test strips.

My "problem" is that I often eat 1, (sometimes 2) meal(s) per day. I've seen the recommendation of ~1.5g/kg body mass, which would put me ~110g of protein. I know that that much in one meal would almost certainly inhibit ketosis , at least temporarily. Would splitting it to 2 meals help? If so, what is the minimum time between meals that would allow me to keep ketones high (insulin low)?

I saw in the comments on Peter Attia's blog (eatingacademy.com) that he has a post in the works based on his personal experience with IF and maintaining ketosis, but I was wondering if you guys had any insight. Thanks in advance.

I think trying to break it down by meal is getting into the realm of over-thinking things. There are several "magic formulas" out there for protein limitation to stay in ketosis. The 1.5g/kg of LBM is what Phinney and Volek recommend.

Judging by the graph on Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt's site showing his blood ketones and urine ketones, the ketostix might not be as bad as people have feared.

The peaks and troughs do track each other somewhat, although things do go a bit adrift just past 4th September:

Experiment: Optimal Ketosis for Weight Loss and Improved Performance | DietDoctor.com

The ketostix are very accurate as you are going into ketosis. Where their accuracy drifts off however is when you have been there a while and have become very adept at burning the ketones up so very few are being excreted out to measure. Then the blood meter is the only accurate measure.
I think this kind of measuring is good to get started but, once you have been there, you know what it feels like and measuring becomes superfluous.

[seaweed]

i have a question about things that taste sweet but dont have any carbs in and how they effect ketosis. specifically toothpaste and also i sometimes boil up liquorice root and ginger root for tea. the tea tastes intensely sweet to me but not in a sickly sugary unnatural way. i have always wondered how these two substances effect insulin levels?

[Louisa655]

i have a question about things that taste sweet but dont have any carbs in and how they effect ketosis. specifically toothpaste and also i sometimes boil up liquorice root and ginger root for tea. the tea tastes intensely sweet to me but not in a sickly sugary unnatural way. i have always wondered how these two substances effect insulin levels?

Seaweed: Good question. I read somewhere (sorry, cannot reference it now), that even chewing gum is enough to affect ketosis. Since reading that, I have avoided gum. I brush my teeth a lot, and use the 'mint-flavoured' floss about 4 x per day, but not about to give that up. I look forward to hearing from others on this.

[solstice]

I was bitten by this bug and have upped my fat and cleaned up the rest of my diet and am down 3 pounds! Big test will be later this month...probably an anovulatory cycle (previous ovarian cyst surgery that I believe damaged one ovary)...and I tend to spiral more out of control with PMS and food cravings when I do not ovulate!

[sbhikes]

I think I blew my low carb buzz for sure today, maybe yesterday because I had a little bit of beer yesterday. I wonder how long it takes to get it back?

[Picaro]

Beer has wheat....run.. do not walk, to your nearest druidic priest for purification.

[Lewis]

Here's Jimmy Moore talking about his recent ketosis experiences:

Nutritional Ketosis & Weight Loss with Jimmy Moore 09/11 by DrLoRadio | Blog Talk Radio

[Lewis]

Here's Jimmy Moore talking about his recent ketosis experiences:

Nutritional Ketosis & Weight Loss with Jimmy Moore 09/11 by DrLoRadio | Blog Talk Radio

To add to that -- just listened on my iPod, and it was worth the time.

Jimmy's chemistry is a bit off. He said tou can't metabolize acetoacetate. The hostess didn't correct him, but of course you can:

Fatty Acids -- Synthesis from acetyl CoA: Acetoacetate

But never mind. It's what his experiences have been like that are of interest here.