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    I just like the taste of broad beans, french beans, runner beans and baked beans. I look upon them as occasional treats that have pluses and minuses.
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    I don't mind the taste either. I can leave without it, but I feel like I would like a meatless, fish-less, egg-less, chicken-less salad once in a while with beans or I absolutely love beans in my bortsch.
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    I wonder the same about any research... dont have the book around toquote but it seems like Robb Wolff dedicated a chapter to the evils of grains then said something like "I don't like the taste of beans and they're almost as bad for you" - ruling on legumes in a paragraph without any supporting observations. If soaking beans minimizes the anti nutrients, what are thoughts on lentils and others that traditionally are not soaked?

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    While this is not actually data, we use lectins that are purified from beans to stimulate immune cells in the lab. Just a tiny bit of purified lectin with cause a type of immune cell to expand. They are excluded from most of the auto-immune dietary protocols I have seen and I do wonder if there is something to it.

    All that being said, I have no idea how much of the offending lectin survives the cooking process or how biologically active it would be when ingested.
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    To consume 100 grams of protein you would actually have to consume even more beans!

    6.25 cups of cooked kidney beans = 1369 calories, 100 g protein, 250 g carbs (not humanly possible - you would explode!)

    (per cup: 219 calories, 40 g carbs, 16 g protein, 16 g fiber)

    Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Beans, kidney, california red, mature seeds, cooked, boiled, without salt

    I grew up on peasant food. My grandmother made huge pots of soup/stew which always contained BOTH meat and beans and lots of veggies. I am new to PB and am now eating much more meat but do still enjoy a little hummus now and then and plan to continue throwing in a small amount of beans into my pots of soup this winter (I always soak overnight and drain the soaking water). The high carbohydrates in beans raise my blood sugar so I need to strictly limit my intake but a sprinkling here and there seems to be fine.

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    Sugar being my problem as well, and from that perspective there are suggestions that too much read meats promote diabesity, while beans help stabilize blood sugar. Addendum of course being that we are not dividing between grass-fed; and we are looking at various eating patterns. One of the studies quoted that blood sugar was lowered on the same macros for a group eating whole rye (even processed into bread/pasta) vs group eating the traditional SAD combo of wheat, w.potatoes and oats.

    In my experience all the Paleo books I have read skimmed past the legumes, never really giving an argument of the strength and conviction that is reserved for the grains.

    I kindda feel that as someone with a sugar problem, I might be better off with beans than white potatoes and white rice.

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    A very dangerous statement...

    Quote Originally Posted by JoanieL View Post
    Sadly, I'm one of those people that gets hungry after eating a lot of carbs. OTOH, meat sates my appetite. I made a meatzza last night, and even though it was only a pound of the aforemetioned 95/5 beef, <1/4 pound of cheese, and 7 ounces of tomato, I couldn't get it all down. And I'd been so busy all day that I hadn't eaten more than 4 ounces of food prior to that meal.

    We are all different. And we should all do what works for ourselves. Eat and be happy! There are entire cultures that live with rice and/or beans as their staple foods.
    "we should all do what works for ourselves" I'm concerned a new member may run with this in the wrong direction. In regards to entire cultures living off of rice and beans as a staple. The Irish did it off of potatoes. The key is when calorie restricted (fasting by necessity) all humans do very well on most any diet. Give rice eating Asian cultures McDonanlds along with that rice and we have out of control obesity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MANthrax View Post
    "we should all do what works for ourselves" I'm concerned a new member may run with this in the wrong direction. In regards to entire cultures living off of rice and beans as a staple. The Irish did it off of potatoes. The key is when calorie restricted (fasting by necessity) all humans do very well on most any diet. Give rice eating Asian cultures McDonanlds along with that rice and we have out of control obesity.
    I think that one of the real takeaways from Paleo/primal is to zero in on high quality protein as the centerpiece of every meal. Most of the 'filler' foods that we decry have either no or vastly inferior sources of protein in them.

    And like Joanie says, eating a 1lb meatza is hard work, and very filling.
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