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    The French paradox doesn't work well. I live in France and most people here are skinny fat (if not plain fat.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieLover View Post
    I eat more carbs than I do animal.

    For example: Breakfast would be berry smoothie with protein powder or sometimes I just eat some gluten free crackers with almond butter (not many lets say like 8 or 10 mini ones total, about 80 calories for those crackers on their own). Today I had a big raw salad with flax oil and vinegar

    Lunch; usually have a salad, maybe just some fruit, maybe just some hummus and crackers (which is what I did today and also some with almond butter, and also just had an apple), handful of nuts maybe?

    Dinner is where I eat a lot of cooked veggies, some sort of animal protein.

    I walk so much and then remember that I have gone to the gym to do more cardio, if it really came down to Cals IN/OUT (like in my other post) then I should definitely be losing a ton of weight!

    I am confused. very very confused.
    Ew, that's hardly barely on the edge of being primal, and mostly not, in my opinion. It seems like a daily thing to get somebody here with a food list that includes fruit smoothies, almond butter, barely any meat and complaints about gaining weight. Fruit smoothies are fucking baby food. There's almost no real nutrition in there. You're starving yourself so you can eat sweet, soft, mushy comfort food that makes your infantile taste buds happy and your body knows it so it's not going to let go of any fat at all.

    Try organ meat, fatty meat, Swiss chard, sweet potatoes, canned salmon with the bones and skin, and eat them in small portions with AMPLE fat from animals. Try NOT doing all that gym and cardio bullshit. Lift some weights, do pushups and squats, run 8x50 meters of sprints once a week or less, take a slow and relaxing walk in the sunshine. See if that doesn't help turn things around a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    Ew, that's hardly barely on the edge of being primal, and mostly not, in my opinion. It seems like a daily thing to get somebody here with a food list that includes fruit smoothies, almond butter, barely any meat and complaints about gaining weight. Fruit smoothies are fucking baby food. There's almost no real nutrition in there. You're starving yourself so you can eat sweet, soft, mushy comfort food that makes your infantile taste buds happy and your body knows it so it's not going to let go of any fat at all.

    Try organ meat, fatty meat, Swiss chard, sweet potatoes, canned salmon with the bones and skin, and eat them in small portions with AMPLE fat from animals. Try NOT doing all that gym and cardio bullshit. Lift some weights, do pushups and squats, run 8x50 meters of sprints once a week or less, take a slow and relaxing walk in the sunshine. See if that doesn't help turn things around a little bit.
    Great effort, but I don't think it's going to make it "click."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes View Post
    Ew, that's hardly barely on the edge of being primal, and mostly not, in my opinion. It seems like a daily thing to get somebody here with a food list that includes fruit smoothies, almond butter, barely any meat and complaints about gaining weight. Fruit smoothies are fucking baby food. There's almost no real nutrition in there. You're starving yourself so you can eat sweet, soft, mushy comfort food that makes your infantile taste buds happy and your body knows it so it's not going to let go of any fat at all.

    Try organ meat, fatty meat, Swiss chard, sweet potatoes, canned salmon with the bones and skin, and eat them in small portions with AMPLE fat from animals. Try NOT doing all that gym and cardio bullshit. Lift some weights, do pushups and squats, run 8x50 meters of sprints once a week or less, take a slow and relaxing walk in the sunshine. See if that doesn't help turn things around a little bit.
    *slow clap*

    Way, way, way too much fruit/fructose/sugar, OP. Try cutting that out for a week and see what happens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavebabymama View Post
    *slow clap*

    Way, way, way too much fruit/fructose/sugar, OP. Try cutting that out for a week and see what happens...
    Okay, thanks. I just figured using a cup of berries a day wasn't going to kill me. I will see how this all goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieLover View Post
    Okay, thanks. I just figured using a cup of berries a day wasn't going to kill me. I will see how this all goes.
    No-one said a cup of berries would kill you. NO-ONE.

    OK, that's me really done now, done trying to understand, done trying to be helpful. Done.

    I am out of this thread cos its beginning to really piss me off and i hate it when people get nasty/personal/argumentative on threads.

    I wish you joy and success of whatever you eat and do. Really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denise View Post
    No-one said a cup of berries would kill you. NO-ONE.

    OK, that's me really done now, done trying to understand, done trying to be helpful. Done.

    I am out of this thread cos its beginning to really piss me off and i hate it when people get nasty/personal/argumentative on threads.

    I wish you joy and success of whatever you eat and do. Really.
    Seriously u are a bigger person, I like how she ignores some posts because she knows there is not way to rationalize it or it calls out what her real agenda is...whatevs...um done too.

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    VeggieLover, have you had Carb Flu yet? IMO this is the biggest indicator of whether you are seriously Primal, whether you are doing it halfway (won't work), or whether you are looking for validation that Primal is not for you (probably wrong forum).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawyerchick12 View Post
    1) this is not a diet, eating natural unprocessed whole foods is or should be a lifestyle that has been shown through studies and simple common sense to be healthier for most people. It could aid in weight loss or management as well.

    2) Calories at the end of the day matter. Eating natural unprocessed foods makes it easier to manage your calorie intake. Low carb/high fat/moderate or high protein has been proven to work for so many people re weight loss and makes thing even much easier while monitoring calories.
    I'm sorry to bust up on you, but this is a pet peeve of mine. Could we please STOP with the "natural whole unprocessed foods" bit? It seems to show up in everyone's condescending "I don't put poison in my body, so there" primal creed. And yet, it is a LOUSY indicator of whether something is Primal.

    Wheat berries are a "whole and unprocessed" food. I used to eat them raw.
    You "process" bone broth and rice exactly the same way for the same amount of time. Which is Primal?
    Bacon is more "processed" than whole wheat bread.
    Kombucha and saurkraut and yogurt are fermented just as much as tofu.
    Corn on the cob is as whole and unprocessed as it gets. I used to eat it raw. Is it primal?
    What's the difference between extracting oil from soybeans and extracting oil from coconuts?
    What about the difference between coconut milk and soy milk? Both processed, both "natural" from plants.
    Look at the box of natural ice creams. Cream, sugar, fruit. All nice and "whole." And wholly not primal.

    You can get diabetes on whole and "unprocessed" CW.

    Here is the Primal terminology we should be using.

    Fat comes from coconuts, butter, olives and animals/fish ONLY.
    Carbs under 100g/day, from fruits and vegetables ONLY.
    Dairy in small amounts, preferably fermented.
    Tree nuts in tiny amounts.

    This captures what ingredients you should eat and what ingredients you should not eat, regardless of processing.
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    MY PRIMAL: I (try to) follow by-the-book primal as advocated by Mark Sisson, except for whey powder and a bit of cream. I aim for 80-90 g carb/day and advocate a two-month strict adjustment for newbies. But everybody is different and other need to tweak Primal to their own needs.

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    I agree with the others, your post is downright confusing. I'm almost starting to wonder if you're just trolling. If you're interested in the science, then read some books! There are plenty out there (on both sides of the spectrum), so read them and make an informed decision. It doesn't seem to me that you're here for support or education. I'm not really sure what it is you're looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieLover View Post
    I'm sorry but everyone has confirmed it is calories in / calories out,
    Bullsh!t. I spent a LOT of time in your last thread, and I did NOT confirm it, at least not in your CW context. This is what I said:

    "It" is not calories in/calorie out, not in the CW sense. The magical "it" is TWO things:

    1. Change your body to burn fat instead of carbs. That is, match your power plant to your fuel. This takes about a month, and you need to go through carb flu, even if it's mild.
    2. Then, AND ONLY THEN, is "it" calories in calories out, and ONLY if those are matched calories.

    Make yourself a fat burner, and THEN let's talk calories.

    If you want to go back to CW and moderation and chronic cardio, well we can't stop you. You might even lose some weight. But it will take a toll on you in other ways.
    5'0" female, 43 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Current weight: skinny-fat 106.5 lbs because of sugar cheating.

    MY PRIMAL: I (try to) follow by-the-book primal as advocated by Mark Sisson, except for whey powder and a bit of cream. I aim for 80-90 g carb/day and advocate a two-month strict adjustment for newbies. But everybody is different and other need to tweak Primal to their own needs.

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