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    Is it really about low carb or calories in/out?

    Ive been doing so much research on all of this and I see how so many people say they eat a ton more calories now that they are paleo as long as try keep their carbs on the low end, they lose weight, I've seen plenty of research though that states it really is about calories in/calories out. Feeling a bit confused, is it just that paleo keeps you fuller so in the end you dont eat as many calories? Or is there something to be said about being low carb, which just burns your own body fat?

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    I would be interested to read from the more seasoned members on this topic, but there has been times where I ate really low carb and had a 16 ounce steak with a few mushrooms in butter at 8pm. Woke up the next morning and lost a pound...I was blown away. My experience could be an abberation though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrodieMN View Post
    I would be interested to read from the more seasoned members on this topic,
    Have fun... recent 50+ page discussion

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread62656.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrodieMN View Post
    I would be interested to read from the more seasoned members on this topic,
    By 'seasoned' do you mean experienced, or old? I sort of qualify with both, I think~ anyway, it's easy for someone in their 20's to say CICO is the only way, even at 30 it still works for most people. But for me, somewhere around 40, my system started processing certain foods differently. Whether I lost the 'forgiving' nature of youth, or just outgrew the 'instant energy' needs, my body started to conserve. It's sometimes called the *middle age spread* but basically, even people that have never had a weight problem, discover that their weight/body composition changes even though their eating habits/CI have not.

    You'll read over and over here that's it CICO and composition doesn't matters, but those posts are mostly written by 20something members and for them, it's still true. For me, at 62, the kind of CI makes a BIG difference! My body is not so forgiving~ I have to watch the carbs.

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    But if it comes down to calorie restriction isn't it better to eat a vegan diet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nady View Post
    By 'seasoned' do you mean experienced, or old? I sort of qualify with both, I think~ anyway, it's easy for someone in their 20's to say CICO is the only way, even at 30 it still works for most people. But for me, somewhere around 40, my system started processing certain foods differently. Whether I lost the 'forgiving' nature of youth, or just outgrew the 'instant energy' needs, my body started to conserve. It's sometimes called the *middle age spread* but basically, even people that have never had a weight problem, discover that their weight/body composition changes even though their eating habits/CI have not.

    You'll read over and over here that's it CICO and composition doesn't matters, but those posts are mostly written by 20something members and for them, it's still true. For me, at 62, the kind of CI makes a BIG difference! My body is not so forgiving~ I have to watch the carbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeggieLover View Post
    But if it comes down to calorie restriction isn't it better to eat a vegan diet?
    No. It isn't just about calorie restriction, it's also about the nutrients in those calories. Vegan is lacking on just too many levels to be healthy for long term.
    Last edited by Nady; 08-08-2012 at 12:43 PM.

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    "is it just that paleo keeps you fuller so in the end you dont eat as many calories?"

    Yes. Most people find low-carb works by increasing protein and fat, which they find more satiating and lead to you consume less calories. Others can consume a high carb diet with potatoes and fruit and get the same effect. Find the foods that give you the best satiety per calorie and appetite control.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046
    DESIGN: Twenty adults [body mass index (in kg/m(2)): 34.4 +/- 1.0] were randomly assigned to the KLC (60% of energy as fat, beginning with approximately 5% of energy as carbohydrate) or NLC (30% of energy as fat; approximately 40% of energy as carbohydrate) diet. During the 6-wk trial, participants were sedentary, and 24-h intakes were strictly controlled.

    CONCLUSIONS:
    KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22215165

    Among persons living in a controlled setting, calories alone account for the increase in fat; protein affected energy expenditure and storage of lean body mass, but not body fat storage.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18025815

    This study showed that independently of the method for weight loss, the negative energy balance alone is responsible for weight reduction.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1734671
    Even with extreme changes in the fat-carbohydrate ratio (fat energy varied from 0% to 70% of total intake), there was no detectable evidence of significant variation in energy need as a function of percentage fat intake.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8561057

    The results of this study showed that it was energy intake, not nutrient composition, that determined weight loss in response to low-energy diets over a short time period.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/res...ch-review.html

    http://examine.com/faq/what-should-i...oss.html#ref18
    Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 08-08-2012 at 07:39 AM.

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    hold on, hold on...lemme get my popcorn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by not on the rug View Post
    hold on, hold on...lemme get my popcorn...
    Hold on. Popcorn isn't primal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2tall View Post
    Hold on. Popcorn isn't primal.
    there's a thread on that too! allow me to rephrase... let me make some homemade, organic, non-gmo corn, popped in coconut oil, drizzled with melted kerrygold and dusted with himalayan salt or finely shredded imported parmigiano reggiano cheese. because that's how i do it at my house every couple of weeks.

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