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    Wheat is not a main factor in diabetes. It affects blood sugar because it is a carb. All carbs and excessive protein will raise blood sugar levels.

    Eating too much meat will keep your levels from normalizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Marie View Post
    Wheat is not a main factor in diabetes. It affects blood sugar because it is a carb. All carbs and excessive protein will raise blood sugar levels.

    Eating too much meat will keep your levels from normalizing.
    It takes way more protein than carbohydrate to get a rise in blood sugar.

    Your body first uses protein to rebuild muscle tissue on a daily basis, THEN it can turn it into glucose. And if you need .5 grams protein per pound of lean bodymass just to MAINTAIN, you can see how much you would actually need to do something.

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    I just got off the phone with my relative, and he says that "of course" he's on medication, and when I suggested (as mentioned by folks here) that he should speak with his doc to get his meds adjusted due to a dietary change, he said, "That's what I was thinking about after I spoke with you before." So he's setting up an appointment. He's also very, very stoked that for at least one person here (hi, WeldingHank), going primal reversed the diabetes. And when I mentioned that it's all carbs that get turned to sugar, not just wheat, he got very excited. He'd read exactly this many, many years ago, and the idea is really resonating. Then he got a little nervous -- he said that if all carbs were out, then "all I can eat is meat and fat!" And I said, "You're forgetting about plants! Vegetables are your friends. Other than starchy veggies like potatoes, you've got tons and tons of options. If you eat primally or paleo, then the bulk of what you're eating will be plants, plus animals and fats. Fruits can be limited." And guys...he told me that he's about to sit down and start reading TPB right now.

    I'm really excited for him. He's serious about wanting to get the diabetes under control, and even gone for good. Thank you all so much for your input -- he thanks you too!

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    Hi Jackie,
    My Dad is a T2D who just recently went Primal and is doing great. He has been taken off a statin, 2 BP meds and a heart med and is maintaining a daily BP of 115/65 at the age of 86! It's never too late to make a change for the better.

    I agree with what was said before. Grain is a good place to start but the complete sugar picture needs to be seen too. Even things that are supposed to be good for you like OJ can be a problem for a diabetic.

    Does your relative ever get puffiness and/or pain/tingling/numbness in the feet and hands? This edema and peripheral neuropathy got so bad that it gave Dad the wake up call he needed to agree to try my, "Weird internet diet." Within 24 hours, all pain was gone. Within 3 days he could see ankle bones that had been MIA for ages. Within a month he had the BP results above.

    He grudgingly admits now that I was right and there is something to this "weird internet diet".

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    Paleobird, I wrote a long reply and clicked to post, but I must have zigged instead of zagged, because my reply didn't show up. Argh.

    That's awesome about your father! I'll definitely pass this onto my relative; he'll be thrilled to hear about another real-life example. Thanks so much for posting!

    I'm not sure about the puffiness; I'll ask him the next time he calls. Thanks again!

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    Count me as another diabetic who practically reversed her diabetes. I say practically cuz I was drug free since Nov 2010 up until a week ago (durn insulin resistance & pregnancy). My numbers are still fine for a non-diabetic, but they want them insanely tight for pregnancy (90 fasting, 110 after meals).
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    If an individual has type II diabetes and has had it for years and has tried to "control" it with medications while continuing to eat carbohydrates they are really messed up and are not really controlling their problem. Someone like this must eliminate nearly all their carb intake. This includes more than wheat. ALL carb sources. Until they have their blood sugar under control, if they are doing a primal/paleo diet, their carb intake should be below 40/50 carbs per day total. Actually, around 20 until blood sugar is normalized would be best. They must get their weight to an ideal point and they have to do some cardio/and resistance work. Just eliminating 90% of wheat is delusional and denial. The real question is does your family member REALLY want to save their life of just make a compromised deal? This family member sounds like he/she does not realize all the different foods that are loaded with carbs.

    Last edited by Moochy; 08-04-2012 at 10:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
    Count me as another diabetic who practically reversed her diabetes. I say practically cuz I was drug free since Nov 2010 up until a week ago (durn insulin resistance & pregnancy). My numbers are still fine for a non-diabetic, but they want them insanely tight for pregnancy (90 fasting, 110 after meals).
    Primal is way more fun than SAD! My inner lioness is way happy with all the protein it gets, and good fat too
    Thanks, Doc! I'll pass this on as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moochy View Post
    If an individual has type II diabetes and has had it for years and has tried to "control" it with medications while continuing to eat carbohydrates they are really messed up and are not really controlling their problem. Someone like this must eliminate nearly all their carb intake. This includes more than wheat. ALL carb sources. Until they have their blood sugar under control, if they are doing a primal/paleo diet, their carb intake should be below 40/50 carbs per day total. Actually, around 20 until blood sugar is normalized would be best. They must get their weight to an ideal point and they have to do some cardio/and resistance work. Just eliminating 90% of wheat is delusional and denial. The real question is does your family member REALLY want to save their life of just make a compromised deal? This family member sounds like he/she does not realize all the different foods that are loaded with carbs.
    My relative honestly believes that he's very healthy, diabetes aside. He eats the right way, according to SAD, and he exercises quite a bit -- walks every day, multiple times a day; lifts weights at the gym numerous times a week. He doesn't sprint, but at 70, I don't know if I could convince him to give it a shot. I agree that he doesn't realize which foods are causing his blood sugar (insulin?) to spike -- that's part of why he's so frustrated. But it's very clear to me now that eliminating the wheat is simply a start; he has to work with his doc to readjust his level of medication, has to really suss out how many carbs he's eating and from which foods, and be committed to drastically reducing his sugar intake by cutting all non-plant/fruit carbs -- and even the fruit could be dicey. I most recently mentioned to him that there are many folks here on this forum who have either limited or very rare fruit intake, and that made an impression. I think that he, like me before finding MDA, believed that fruit is healthy, so it's okay to eat a lot of fruit.

    I think I need to find him a resource that's all about how to include more vegetables into his diet. After watching me make my breakfast omelet (three eggs, fresh bell pepper, fresh onion, minced garlic, either sauteed in bacon grease or coconut oil, scrambled with either uncured bacon or minimally processed chicken sausage), he's begun adding whatever veggies he has in the fridge to his eggs, typically broccoli, cauliflower, pepper and onion. He couldn't be happier with his breakfasts now. So I should scare up some recipe ideas for him for veggies besides the typical BAS he has every day with lunch and/or dinner.

    Thanks again, everyone. I'm so excited for him, and I truly hope that he's on a journey to defeat his diabetes through diet.

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    ALL carbohydrates affect blood sugar, therefore if he is still eating carbs, expect his blood sugar to be all over the place given that the system the body uses to control blood sugar is damaged in type 2 diabetics.

    In order to reverse diabetes type 2 and control blood sugar the only solution is to completely avoid carbohydrates for a number of years.

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