Last edited by patski; 08-04-2012 at 06:33 PM.
Are you saying only religious people get married?
Cathy really ought to point the finger at FAILED marriages, you know, the ones that end in divorce every year. What is the stat now...over 60%? But oh no, point the finger at TEH GAYZ. Yeah, cuz we're doing such an amazeballs job at ruining the 'sanctity of marriage'.
No rights as married people means for all relevant legal purposes not married. It seems to me that the non-traditional marriage crowd (in which I include homosexuals, polygamists etc) abandoned the word marriage they would get far more done far more quickly. A marriage conjures up pictures of churches which make many traditional church folks freak out. Where as civil union or legally binding commitment contract or whatever (which is pretty much all a marriage certificate is at least to the state) is not threatening at all. Go for gay nuptial contracts get the legal rights of a married couple then find a church to 'marry' you so you have the best of both worlds.
What is an opposed person going to say? "I am against a legal financial contract between two adults because uh...I...um...well, God says that...uh, my church...my....fuck." Pretty soon you will have hundreds of thousands of married gay couples around and it will be too mainstream for anyone to even care.
I know, not the sun shine and roses beacon of equality and all, but people are dumb. WTF can you do?
If we (by 'we' I mean gay people) abandon the semantics of using the word 'marriage', then it won't be seen in the same light. Yes, people are exceptionally stupid. But that doesn't mean we should stop using the 'marriage' because those nupties don't like it. Too effing bad.
I just got married, and we didn't do it in a church. In fact, most people that I know who've been married in the last few years have not been married in a church.
To enact all of the legalities entitled to married couples (including those who don't have anything to do with "church marriage") takes a load of planning, multiple legal documents, possibly hiring a lawyer, and most likely continuing to have those documents reviewed and rewritten every few years to keep them up to date as circumstances change.
THIS is why it is an issue.
It is burdening a group of people to a separate circumstance based purely on discrimination...
Much like making black people use separate water fountains/toilets, only get food from the back doors of restaurants, and segregated schools used to be. Separate and NOT equal.
There are situations that Noodletoy's and Partner's Will and DNR do not cover.
I hope that this thread makes them consider the additional documents that they may need in an emergency situation such as severe injury when dealing with hospital regulations.
The other issue is that "marriage" in America is NOT primarily a matter of church/religion.
"Marriage" in the US is primarily a LEGAL contract document that gives both parties benefits, rights, and responsibilities.
The religious portion of thing is up to the people entering into the contract.
Choosing to have a church wedding has nothing to do with the LEGAL portion.
People can be legally married with no religious ceremony.
And people can be married in religious ceremony with NO legal document involved.
This is why I believe that EVERY government sanctioned LEGAL 'marriage' should be called what it actually is, a Legal Union, and that Marriage Certificates should be a separate thing awarded by individual churches according to their own standards to be sought if that is what the couple wishes.
And no... he isn't breaking the law, but he is promoting and supporting monetarily laws that are 100% discriminatory, just like people did against blacks not so long ago. Just because it's legal for him to do it doesn't exactly make it okay IMO.
Last edited by cori93437; 08-04-2012 at 06:40 PM.
“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.
Also, other religions and cultures besides Christian/Jewish faiths have marriages. There are also Christian couples who are gay.This country is home to people from all sorts of backgrounds and beliefs. Religious does not equal being Christian.
It doesn't matter what kind of opinion you have, saying a couple cannot get married because of their sexual orientation is discrimination. Live by your own beliefs and let others live by theirs.
Last edited by GuineaPigQueen; 08-04-2012 at 06:41 PM.
I didn't get married by a 'minister' of any church, either. I was married by an 'officiant' who is not affiliated with any church.
Marriage is not a religious institution. If some people think it is, because THEIR minister is from xyz church, then so be it.