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    Quote Originally Posted by Radialhead View Post
    He's Brownstein's partner, & the guy who owns the supplement company, so not a 'credible secondary source'.
    OK, try this one. Livestrong was started by Lance Armstrong. How Much Iodine Does Body Need? | LIVESTRONG.COM endquote.
    Interestingly, he notes that doctors may recommend more iodine for hypothyroidism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radialhead View Post
    Unless I'm missing something, that's seaweed consumption not iodine consumption. How do you get to "3 to 12 mg" from that without knowing whether it's wet or dry weight, or how much iodine is left after whichever cooking method is used?
    It was seaweed consumption, prepared by Japanese people in their normal fashion. Probably wet, as that's how most of it is consumed. The researchers acknowledged that overall seaweed intake has remained stable, but the elders ate far more kombu than the current consumers, and it's fourfold higher in iodine. Read the article again and if you're still not sure, look carefully for key phrases in the premise for clues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodorchid View Post
    well, considering i recently read a news story about researchers who scraped bacteria onto terminal brain tumors to 'heal' them and wound up killing the patients with sepsis, etc, i kinda see the point of them stomping down on flimsy seeming medicalments
    You mean MEDICAL researchers? The same kind of guys that can justify anything to get research grants. Say it ain't so!;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by t2t View Post
    I just find the video’s message compelling that a cheaper more natural way to treat cancer would never see the light of day given that cancer is a 50 billion plus dollars a year business. (not talking about the baking soda one)

    If a cure can’t be patented it stands virtually no chance to make it to the market.
    I have seen first-hand what chemo and radiation did to several of my relatives. It was horrible and I believe with all my heart (what’s left of it) that the chemo and radiation expedited their deaths.
    Have you seen the multi-million dollar law suits of late on the boob tube? So many FDA approved drugs that had tainted studies but hit the market anyway.

    MONEY is a big motivator to suppress any cure that might find its way in front of Big Pharm’s profit.
    That is my opinion. Thank you for being polite.
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    I have seen first hand how surgery and chemo saved my life. No, they can't save everyone and I am sorry for the losses of your loved ones. There is a much better chance of real medicine working however, when people are diagnosed and treated early. If someone talks them into the alternative "all natural" way instead, by the time they get desperate enough to go to a real doctor, it may be too late.

    I don't know all about all of the examples given in that film but I do know about that Italian cancer is a fungus guy. If he is being held up by that film as a martyr to the money grubbing evil doctors who are suppressing cures........ Sorry, it's just ridiculous. And I feel so sorry for anyone duped into giving their life savings to that guy.

    See your whole money motivator theory falls apart when people have insurance. My cancer did not cost me anything. It would have been cheaper for my HMO to treat me with herbs or baking soda instead of surgery and chemo. I pay the same dues either way. You know why they do the surgery and chemo? Because that actually works. Five years post cancer, I can tell you, it works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paysan View Post
    Poison, burn or amputate. Somehow I don't like their cures. And they do stomp-HARD- on anyone outside the mainstream who promotes any kind of cure for any of the various cancers. Modern medicine is littered with the corpses of medical researchers and practioners who tried. In these cases, never mistake simple ignorance for what malice can explain.
    And a real cure for al the various cancers not only would make headlines, it would bring the economy to its knees.
    I never said the cure was fun. Effective but not fun. See above about money motivation.

    Quote Originally Posted by bloodorchid View Post
    well, considering i recently read a news story about researchers who scraped bacteria onto terminal brain tumors to 'heal' them and wound up killing the patients with sepsis, etc, i kinda see the point of them stomping down on flimsy seeming medicalments
    That Italian guy with his baking soda infusions via tubes into peoples bodies has killed several folks too. The actual numbers get hushed up because it takes place in "private clinics" overseas. If someone dies in a US hospital there is automatically an M&M assessment, stands for Mortality and Morbidity. All out in the open.

    "Stomping down" on snake oil salesmen is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkward View Post
    As for the other supplements, the sea salt (NOT table salt !!! ) being required seems like bunk to me. Most people get plenty of salt, and I don't see why it needs to be sea salt anyway. The other minerals in sea salt besides NaCl are in microscopic amounts anyway. Supposedly the vitamin C is for the "detox symptoms", but I'm not sure I buy that either. If I got those symptoms, I'd just take less iodine. And finally, on the ATP Co-factors, that's a supplement sold by Brownstein's partner I believe. I can't imagine that I'm deficient in any of the B's, and that seems like a lot more Niacin then needed.
    From reading the prior thread, it sounded like the salt was to add sodium to help get rid of bromine displaced by the iodine. So basically it's there for detox symptoms, much like the vitamin C.

    That said, the added salt could also be to counteract the amount of potassium in the mega doses of potassium iodide; the ratio of sodium to potassium in the body is important. Of course, I'm completely speculating here, so take this with a grain of salt ;-)

    Edit: Of course, five minutes after writing that, it occurred to me that the amount of potassium iodide you'd need to be taking would probably be ludicrous by anyones standards to pose a risk from its potassium content...
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    Quote Originally Posted by labmonkey View Post
    This is what I take at breakfast:
    1 brazil nut
    300mg of Magnesium citrate (Horse pills!!)
    4000IU Vit D (gels)
    1.5mg of Norw. Kelp pills

    So you think it'd be better to move the Mag to night time? Pills at night make me nervous. I've had insomnia in the past, even been on sleeping pills, That "S" scares me. I went cold turkey when I realized how addictive they could be. I know Magnesium is an nataural mineral but, it still freaks me a bit to "take ____ at night" to help me sleep. :S
    My son and I take magnesium before bed and it really helps us sleep. Prior to taking magnesium we were very light sleepers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paysan View Post
    OK, try this one. Livestrong was started by Lance Armstrong. How Much Iodine Does Body Need? | LIVESTRONG.COM endquote.
    Interestingly, he notes that doctors may recommend more iodine for hypothyroidism.
    That doesn't say anything about magnesium. Sceptic's question was:
    From a quick google, there's a lot of material online linking magnesium with thyroid health. I'm just wondering if anyone has a relevant study to link to about it, or perhaps just a link to a credible and readable secondary source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paysan View Post
    It was seaweed consumption, prepared by Japanese people in their normal fashion. Probably wet, as that's how most of it is consumed. The researchers acknowledged that overall seaweed intake has remained stable, but the elders ate far more kombu than the current consumers, and it's fourfold higher in iodine. Read the article again and if you're still not sure, look carefully for key phrases in the premise for clues.
    Unfortunately I don't have time to keep trawling through documents looking for clues to information that I'm not convinced even exists. I wish I did as I really enjoy delving into this sort of stuff, but having a stupidly busy job coupled with a classic car restoration & two house renovations on the go rules it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t2t View Post
    Hi Paleobird,

    I just find the video’s message compelling that a cheaper more natural way to treat cancer would never see the light of day given that cancer is a 50 billion plus dollars a year business. (not talking about the baking soda one)

    If a cure can’t be patented it stands virtually no chance to make it to the market.
    I have seen first-hand what chemo and radiation did to several of my relatives. It was horrible and I believe with all my heart (what’s left of it) that the chemo and radiation expedited their deaths.
    Have you seen the multi-million dollar law suits of late on the boob tube? So many FDA approved drugs that had tainted studies but hit the market anyway.

    MONEY is a big motivator to suppress any cure that might find its way in front of Big Pharm’s profit.
    That is my opinion. Thank you for being polite.

    t2t
    t2t, I had a wonderful friend who was a concert pianist. She had breast cancer at age 40 - she had radical surgery and chemo, and went on to do lots more recordings. She developed ovarian cancer in the about year 2000, again had surgery and chemo, and eventually took part in a drug trial which gave her more time - she died last spring. In total, the medical profession secured her over 30 years of good quality life. She and all of her friends and family are profoundly grateful that this wonderful woman was able to have such marvellous treatment which gave us all the joy of having Joanna with us for so many years.

    If she had been advised to take alternative treatments instead, I'm quite sure she wouldn't have reached 41.

    Here is a link to a clip of her playing a Scarlatti sonata on a square piano made in 1823

    http://www.divine-art.com/sounds/23025-14.mp3

    That, and many other recordings, would never have been made without chemotherapy.

    Thanks,

    Andrew

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    Thank you Breadsauce,

    Does this study for chemo mean 60% 5 year survival rate? I suppose several of my in-laws were in the 40%, which only made it a year or much less. Incredible piano player!

    The contribution of cytotoxic che... [Clin Oncol (R Coll Radiol). 2004] - PubMed - NCBI

    Thank you Paleobird,
    I had regular insurance for over 30 years. My wife did too. We lost her insurance two years ago. I now have to pay 247 a month to keep an HMO now. I am left with the 10%. In addition I must pay a 15 dollar co-pay regular doctor visits and 25 dollar co-pay for specialists. In a couple of years I will have to pay 447 dollars a month to keep the HMO, which is if the base pay of 247 doesn’t increase. (It goes up every year.) Of course I just got Medicare and so did my daughter. I pay 99 a month to have it. So that will help my daughter and me. My wife only has the one insurance.

    I know many people, who have a 3000 dollar a year, deductable before all the copays start and even then the HMO only pays 80%.
    Over 30 years ago I remember a front page cover story about how Doctors had discovered the enzymes’ that caused cavities and how a new vaccine would be introduced to spare young children, future cavities. Of course it never saw the light of day. There still would have been a need for dentists for, malocclusion, braces, etc… But 80% of dentists would have lost their jobs. What a blow to the dental profession had this vaccine have made it to market.

    When my daughter became a severe diabetic 25 years ago researchers were working on an insulin pill that would get through the acid of the stomach. (the body would use just what it needed and the extra insulin would be dispelled from the body.) The article said the “pill” was expected to hit the market in five years. That would have been 20 years ago. Such a pill would have crippled the glucose machine maker’s world.

    She has to have her blood checked 5 to 6 times a day as she is a “fragile” diabetic.

    There used to be color coated glucose blood test strips I used with my daughter 26 years ago. The neat thing about these strips is that you could use a machine and then you had up to two minutes to visually verify what the actual reading was on the side of the bottle, which had a color code panel, as a backup in case the machine failed. These strips stopped being produced after a few short years in the U.S. Two makers in Europe still make them. My insurance is not going to pay for them from Europe. So the glucose machines made in the U.S. now require extra test liquid to be bought which many insurances do not pay for.

    What is the problem with not knowing for 100% certainty that the machine is telling the truth with the reading? Hell I have had machines go bad by the time I pricked my daughter’s finger right after I just used the test liquid that said the machine was fine. My daughter has grand mal seizures (when her blood goes low) and she doesn’t breathe for 60 seconds with each seizure.

    We get to enjoy these seizures several times a year because the machine just gives a bad reading no matter how careful you are with alcohol and or mild soap cleaning of the finger.

    The color coded strips were a Godsend and really helped me “know” what my daughter’s true reading was. We have had to call 911 twice in the last two years because the machine lied or went bad.

    I subscribe to the idea that the meter makers don’t make as much MONEY with the color coded strips.

    Giving my daughter 50 mg’s or more of Iodine does make her body need less insulin by about 25%. Giving her 10000 Iu’s of D3 helps her body need less insulin by about 30%.

    So when I give her iodine and D3 I have to give up to 55% less Novalog.

    P.S. Larger amounts of Iodine and D3 is the path I have chosen for my family and myself. There is just something "wonderful" about Iodine. We get blood work every 3 months. Just saying, not advocating anyone here to take more than a few drops of iodine, a day. In fact eat kelp if you can find some “good” kelp?

    P.S.S. Oh. My beloved K2 mk4 also is included in my wonderland!!!
    Last edited by t2t; 08-02-2012 at 08:48 AM. Reason: K2

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