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    Quote Originally Posted by magicmerl View Post
    How about everybody *not* named James and PaleoBird can take a chill pill and let them get over their apparent internet tiff? That would the give thread a chance to not devolve into feather ruffling at least.

    I'm interested in learning more about most of the things JamesS has posted about. He hasn't set off my BS-ometer yet (in the way that Grizz did quite quickly).
    Agreed, debate the topic not the individual, information is what counts, if you want team sports go to the relevant sports channel.

    Just on the Iodine thing I noticed some comments regarding Iodine allergies, I do not believe there is such a thing technically, as it would very quickly result in death, there is Iodine toxicity which everyone is susceptable to although sensitivity may vary and this seems to be the issue with CT scans, what most people refer to as Iodine allergy is an immune response to specific proteins found in shellfish, one of these being from the Keyhole Limpet which is used in many vaccines and raises the question of Vaccines & Allergies, but that is another story.
    I found this little statement regarding the CT reaction below:

    .IV Contrast Dye. This reaction is non-allergic but can result in anaphylaxis because the high concentration of the dye causes mast cells to release their contents, which mimics an allergic reaction. While there is no test available for reactions to IV contrast, most patients can take the dye safely by taking oral steroids and anti-histamines hours before the contrast is given. The contrast is usually given in a less concentrated form to these patients. Let your doctor know if you’ve had a past reaction to IV contrast before receiving it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambchop View Post
    This is, frankly, rude.

    I am upset that you are speaking like this to a new member. A new member who has devoted a lot of time to address issues of concern to those participating in and reading (as I do) these Iodine threads.

    And for you to make that final comment. Of all people. It reads like you are having a tantrum because you think the Iodine threads are yours and you can be the only voice of reason. You sprinkle your opinion with confidence all over this forum.

    I am annoyed that a new member who is clearly educated about these issues has been treated like this.

    JamesS, clearly it was frustrating being a non member and reading those threads when you had a contrary view. I appreciate the effort you took to respond. I am sorry this was your welcome. I hope you stick around about you obviously have a lot to offer this forum.
    Amen. (and wtf?)

    James, nice to have you on board and a lot of people around here are decent. Paleobird's welcome (not) is not characteristic of this forum.

    You have a lot of interesting things to say and I am hoping you offer a bit on the athletic threads too! Welcome, dude.

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    Welcome, James. I am glad you are posting here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omni View Post
    Agreed, debate the topic not the individual, information is what counts, if you want team sports go to the relevant sports channel.

    Just on the Iodine thing I noticed some comments regarding Iodine allergies, I do not believe there is such a thing technically, as it would very quickly result in death, there is Iodine toxicity which everyone is susceptable to although sensitivity may vary and this seems to be the issue with CT scans, what most people refer to as Iodine allergy is an immune response to specific proteins found in shellfish, one of these being from the Keyhole Limpet which is used in many vaccines and raises the question of Vaccines & Allergies, but that is another story.
    I found this little statement regarding the CT reaction below:

    .IV Contrast Dye. This reaction is non-allergic but can result in anaphylaxis because the high concentration of the dye causes mast cells to release their contents, which mimics an allergic reaction. While there is no test available for reactions to IV contrast, most patients can take the dye safely by taking oral steroids and anti-histamines hours before the contrast is given. The contrast is usually given in a less concentrated form to these patients. Let your doctor know if you’ve had a past reaction to IV contrast before receiving it again.
    I think there were some iodine anaphylactic deaths (medically) reported here in the news in Australia as the inquests played out. It had something to do with being injected as part of a medical scan. I will find the links.

    I agree to debate the topic not the individual, which is why Paleobird's response to all JamesS' work was offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarry View Post
    You are now just being a bitch.
    Maybe, but she's entertaining about it, and that ALWAYS makes it okay in my own personal, humble opinion.

    I'm not sure why PB is the one getting hammered here. I've gone back and skimmed JamesS responses. He does present interesting info, but it seems to me that it's done with just a hint of condescension because we don't know said info. His vaunted 33 years in the medical industry (he didn't say as what) seem to trump anyone else's experience and if we don't agree with him that doctors and the medical establishment are evil money grubbing test and pill pushers, then we are just idiots. That's just my take on the way his posts are written. I admit right up front I didn't read all of them all of the way through, as my eyes glazed over just a bit.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled programming and I'm going back to work so I can pay some bills next week.

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    Nah, not nice to be a bitch to a newbie like that, particularly one who knows what he is on about and isnt tapping away putting it on this forum for his own benefit. I really hope he comes back.

    anyway - here is the link to the Iodine adverse reaction article, there are a few articles you could find, but this gives the gist.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226428065996
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielfire View Post
    Nah, not nice to be a bitch to a newbie like that, particularly one who knows what he is on about and isnt tapping away putting it on this forum for his own benefit. I really hope he comes back.

    anyway - here is the link to the Iodine adverse reaction article, there are a few articles you could find, but this gives the gist.

    Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
    What others read as being a bitch, I read as being direct and to the point. But then, I have been accused of being very direct on more than one occasion and it was NOT meant as a compliment. Each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omni View Post
    Agreed, debate the topic not the individual, information is what counts, if you want team sports go to the relevant sports channel.

    Just on the Iodine thing I noticed some comments regarding Iodine allergies, I do not believe there is such a thing technically, as it would very quickly result in death, there is Iodine toxicity which everyone is susceptable to although sensitivity may vary and this seems to be the issue with CT scans, what most people refer to as Iodine allergy is an immune response to specific proteins found in shellfish, one of these being from the Keyhole Limpet which is used in many vaccines and raises the question of Vaccines & Allergies, but that is another story.
    I found this little statement regarding the CT reaction below:

    .IV Contrast Dye. This reaction is non-allergic but can result in anaphylaxis because the high concentration of the dye causes mast cells to release their contents, which mimics an allergic reaction. While there is no test available for reactions to IV contrast, most patients can take the dye safely by taking oral steroids and anti-histamines hours before the contrast is given. The contrast is usually given in a less concentrated form to these patients. Let your doctor know if you’ve had a past reaction to IV contrast before receiving it again.

    Yes... Strictly speaking, a reaction to an iodine-based dye is not quite the same thing as a true allergy to iodine because it generally doesn't stem from the same type of immune-system response as a true allergy...
    The resulting issues are the same however, are treated the same to stop the reaction, and to prevent a reaction if there is a need to do the same procedure later.
    Several doctors have refused to order CT with contrast since the time I had the reaction. It's a risk vs. necessity issue. If it were really necessary they might do it with appropriate preperations... because I cannot have MRI for my body at all (only head, and then only with special send/recieve coil and special software package installed, and permission from the director of the hospital.)

    However, I was assured by a medical doctor (neuro-radiologist so he is a specialist in the field) that while iodine from foods is likely completely safe, even if your eat very iodine rich foods(seafoods including sea veg and shellfish in large quantities), that it is also very possible to have the same reaction to high doses of iodine supplements (pills/drops)... which release a large amount of iodine into the body very quickly.
    Once a person has had a severe reaction to iodine based CT contrast dye, they should definitely consider this.
    And IMO everyone should consider this fact when thinking of taking large doses of supplemental iodine... if they have never had the CT contrast dye to know whether they react badly to high doses or not.
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    Interesting stuff Cori93437, gives context to the inquest articles - I wondered why there was a witch hunt against the medical profession if someone has an individual reaction they do not know they will have in advance.

    Sorry to hear of your health issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielfire View Post
    here is the link to the Iodine adverse reaction article, there are a few articles you could find, but this gives the gist. Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
    Thanks will have a read

    Quote Originally Posted by cori93437 View Post
    Once a person has had a severe reaction to iodine based CT contrast dye, they should definitely consider this.
    And IMO everyone should consider this fact when thinking of taking large doses of supplemental iodine... if they have never had the CT contrast dye to know whether they react badly to high doses or not.
    Thanks for the info and totally agree anyone should be very wary of taking megadoses of Iodine or any other vitamins or minerals for that matter, dosing through diet and lifestyle(Vit D) is always the best option.

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