I agree.... I eat protein and fats with my veggies.... that I weigh, measure and track.i find it extremely hard to believe that eating vegetables ALONE will make u fat. You are obviously eating some form of added protein.
I imagine if I just ate veggies and fruit, I'd be hungry and not very productive.
Me eat meat and plants when stomach hurt.
What to do when hungry?
First, kill meat.
Then, make fire, cook meat
Put plant on fire too.
Eat meat and plants until stomach full.
Wash down with water.
Repeat next time hungry.
I am fat adapted. I have eaten primally for 8 months and gained 5kg, eating less calories than I was eating on conventional wisdom. I cannot stuff myself with high fat foods without gaining weight. I avoid nuts for that very reason. I have recently had to cut out bacon and sausage for the same reason.
I am active, lean, I lift heavy and move often, but after wrecking my metabolism with an ED I am stuffed. And not with primal foods. This is three meals a day, no snacks. I have gained from slightly underweight to now within the healthy range, but if I were to eat fatty food till I was full and couldn't eat anymore, I'd be tipping the scale the the other way in a few months. I am shocked at how easily a high fat primal diet has brought on a (needed) weight gain. I have reached a weight which is acceptable to me now, but if I don't want it to creep up anymore I will have to guard my fat intake very, very carefully. And that is how it is, for so many other women on this forum.
For me, activity is the vital piece of the puzzle. I know that the general idea is that you can't exercise yourself thin, but I think some people are more metabolically sensitive to activity than others might be. I seem to get results from exercise that are more than one would expect from the calories that are supposedly burned during a given activity, and any time I've become more sedentary--the year I trashed my leg, for example--I've gained a lot of weight even if I've also eaten less. During my most active periods, I've been able to put down 3000+ calories per day and not gain, which is sort of outrageous for a woman.
I'm curious if anyone is aware of research on this particular area? I'm aware of the general stats quoted (diet is 80% of weight loss, etc.) but wonder if there's anything looking at variations in exercise response and fat loss.
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Paleobird did you immediately eat 1500 at maintenance without any weight gain. Lots of talk that if you eat very low calorie you have to eat that way for life. If you up calories at maintenance will just gain.
Also the eat more to lose say you should be losing weight slowly not eating less than BMR. It could take months of patience before you see any weight loss. Lots of concern about rate of loss and that slower is always better??
Losing weight slowly is a good thing. But you have to eat under BMR numbers to lose anything. The thing is that the BMR chart numbers are pretty useless. BMR formulas are only a place to start. They have to be tailored for the individual.
And I did have patience. For months. And gained weight. I cut the portions down and the weight fell off.
Last edited by Paleobird; 07-27-2012 at 07:27 PM.