OK, so I was reading this thread at random free moments at work and every time I looked back to it, there were more and more posts, so please be warned and bear with me, I’m commenting on some older stuff here.
Firstly, I need to say that I agree with these two statements wholeheartedly:
Originally Posted by jammies
Secondly, these two posts are SO interesting to me, and I am about to diving into some reading on the matter when I get home. But at the offset I’ll say, it seems like the answer to this CICO debate lies somewhere in the middle. Calories matter, but are much more complex than most people (myself included) understand. We know they matter, but not why or how much. I think that the line of thinking should be less of a dogmatic “Good calories vs bad calories” and more “Different calories affect you differently.”
Originally Posted by Paleobird
Originally Posted by Marnee
Originally Posted by yodiewan
In particular, women of childbearing age are excluded from nearly ALL medical studies. Our medical research is at times missing half the equation.
Originally Posted by BestBetter
BestBetter, I think you are also the poster who guessed that most of the strongest adherents to a pure CICO model were under 40yr old males. I agree, but I find it amusing that that demographic also seems to be the strongest supporters of the “calories don’t matter at all, I eat 5k a day!” stance.
This has been a very interesting discussion and I look forward to it continuing. Personally, I am at a fairly low weight and fairly low body fat. In fact I’d say I’m probably at and ideal weight and body fat from a health stand point. I’d prefer to be somewhat lighter and leaner from and aesthetic perspective, but I certainly do not “need” to lose weight/fat. At this point, I find in my n-1 that I DO need to track and reduce calories in order to lose weight/fat. But I also find that when I keep the calorie level stable and change up the amounts of carbs I eat from higher to lower I am more likely to lose weight/fat.
Hooboy, this is a zillion quotes long. :/
No disease that can be treated by diet should be treated with any other means.
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