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    Blood work back - Low T??

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    Hi,

    Got my test results back from some recent blood work. I was prompted to get the work done as over the past several months, I have been gaining weight and inches on my body despite tightening up my diet and excecise plan. According to most websites out there, I am on the low side for my age. Anyone out there have experience with this? Also, what are some options to get this number up?

    Here are some stats:

    Testosterone: 380
    Age: 27
    Weight: 204
    Height 5'10
    Diet: Paleo
    Supplements: Daily fish oil and 10,000iu Vit D
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    I've had borderline low T levels for years, but just high enough that doctors wouldn't treat me. Along with that, I had other issues that seemed tied to low T - depression, anxiety, difficulty shedding fat, easily adding fat mass, stagnant in the gym, low libido, etc. The doctors would always say that I was in the reference range, so I was fine. They would only treat a lab result and not symptoms. One specialist even told me flat out that the symptoms were subjective and couldn't be measured, so he had no way to know that I wasn't lying.

    I'm guessing you will hear the same unless you have a more progressive thinking doctor.

    I finally went outside the mainstream, going to an anti-aging clinic. They take no insurance, they sell me the meds, and it's not cheap. Ironically, when they tested me, my T had actually dropped out of the reference range at 177. Free T was also out of range.

    The doc really favors injected T, but allows me to do my own injections. I inject twice a week, and in 8 weeks, I feel like a new person. I've stopped taking anti-depressants, my acid reflux is gone, and my asthma is much better. So far, my weight is up rather than down, but my clothes fit better, so I'm sure I'm not adding fat. Some bodyweight exercises are actually harder right now than before - pull-ups, burpees, box jumps, etc., but I think that's due to the higher scale weight and things will improve there. When moving iron, I'm finally seeing some progress in the correct direction.

    I'm older than you are (50), but looking back in time, I wish I'd pursued this option more aggressively years ago. I feel the best I've felt in years. If you do some research on the reference ranges, you'll find out that they are based on population averages, rather than optimal values. According to one chart that I found, my score of 177 was equivalent to the average 90 year old man. But, most docs only care about the reference range.

    I know that when my score was in the low 400s a few years ago, I was dealing with most of the symptoms I listed above.

    Good luck.

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    Thanks for the info! Very helpful information and aside from the low libido, sound quite similar to what I am experiencing.

    Questions:

    What is an approx cost of the meds?
    Do you continue to take injections and if so, is this a long term plan?
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    I have to meet face to face with the doctor once per year. Other consults are by e-mail or phone and tend to be short check-ins. I get comprehensive lab work done at least twice per year. I will probably use testosterone supplementation for the rest of my life, although I may switch to gels in the future. My total cost for office visits, labs, meds and supplies (syringes), including injected B12 on top of the T, comes to about $70 per week. In addition to the T, I take small doses of two meds to prevent the conversion of testosterone to estrogen, and every three months, I'm scheduled to take a short break from the testosterone, where I'll use HCG to make sure my body's own testosterone-producing processes are "re-started" temporarily.

    Some doctors never take breaks from the testosterone, especially with the gels. Once you start taking exogenous testosterone, your body stops producing leutenizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone (LH and FSH), which causes your body to stop producing T, and it also shuts down sperm production. The brief break from the T and the use of HCG, which functions like LH and FSH to a large extent, kick-starts the body to produce T and sperm again.

    And this does lead me to one point I should have made in my last message. I'm 50, my kids are 14 and 19, I've had a vasectomy and have no plans for more children. But, testosterone replacement therapy can have a serious impact on your ability to be a father in the future. That needs to be discussed with any doctor that treats you.


    Good luck.

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