MamaGrok, what does that have to do with the experience of the women who do have sagging skin or have gained weight. No one said it was a given, just that that has been the experience of *some* of those who have gained a lot of weight or who have had twin pregnancies.
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here except to make those that have shared their difficulties feel badly.Fwiw, I do a ton of labor support and have been to several hundred births. I won't say what *most* of the women look like - including the ones that have had 5 or 10 kids because it is irrelevant. Not everyone looks the same and how they look when they post partum depends on the confluence of many factors.
I just cannot get over the tone of your post. If you'll read back, those that posted about not having pin-up perfect bodies after birth were doing so in response to a myriad of posts regarding loose tummies going away if just given 'enough time'. Some will *if the dermis is not damaged*. Some won't (if there is dermal damage). And again dermal damage or no depends on weight before pregnancy, age, diet, tissue integrity etc etc.