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    husband cured his fatigue by reducing meat...what?!

    So, it's no secret that both me and my husband have autoimmune issues and fatigue. We've been experimenting with everything under the sun to improve fatigue with no luck. A few weeks ago, he decided to cut out meat for a week, out of desperation, and surprisingly his fatigue went away! He ate 3 eggs every day, yogurt, some cheese, and continued to keep everything else the same - plenty of fruit, rice, potatoes, some gluten-free pasta, some salads.

    So far, he has been able to add back about 1/2 pound of meat every other day with no increase in fatigue.

    It seems that his fatigue was helped by the overall reduction of meat, but it could be possible that it is due to a specific meat (ex: pork and beef are problematic but rabbit and goat are okay.)

    Any research I found linked fatigue with the absence of meat, nothing mentioned fatigued being caused by meat. When I tried the no-meat experiment, my fatigue was unchanged.

    Has anyone else noticed an improvement in fatiue with reduced meat consumption?

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    I have an intolerance to tuna, turkey, sardines, and deer meat, and midly to beef and pork (blood test to find out). If he's intolerant to the meats he was eating, then inflamation would have gone down, and then he wouldn't feel so tired. If I eat tuna, I can't even focus my eyes for very long. And I feel like a ball of sleeping pills. So, maybe it isn't just meat but specific meats. Take our pork and beef for a few months, then add them back. Sometimes that's all it takes.
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    Excess histamine in animal flesh can contribute to fatigue and other symptoms such as post-nasal drip. Histamine accumulates after the animal is killed, as a byproduct of breakdown of protein by bacteria and yeast.

    Anyone with leaky gut issues will absorb more histamine than normal so that can be an issue with consuming rotting flesh, along with various other factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paleo-bunny View Post
    Excess histamine in animal flesh can contribute to fatigue and other symptoms such as post-nasal drip. Histamine accumulates after the animal is killed, as a byproduct of breakdown of protein by bacteria and yeast.

    Anyone with leaky gut issues will absorb more histamine than normal so that can be an issue with consuming rotting flesh, along with various other factors.
    I have a question about this; wouldn't consuming histimine make a person feel more awake, since it promotes wakefulness and vigilance? Taking an anti-histimine triggers sleepiness in most people (except for my weirdo husband - it gives him insomnia, but he's extremely resistant to sedatives.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BestBetter View Post
    I have a question about this; wouldn't consuming histimine make a person feel more awake, since it promotes wakefulness and vigilance? Taking an anti-histimine triggers sleepiness in most people (except for my weirdo husband - it gives him insomnia, but he's extremely resistant to sedatives.)
    Good question. This does appear to vary enormously between individuals and circumstances.

    If histamine makes you feel more awake then that indicates that it is able to function normally as a neurotransmitter and that your immune system is not overstimulated and that your body can clear away this neurotransmitter signal quickly by breaking down the histamine thus be more sensitive to it. However, if levels are very high then histamine, in performing its role in the immune system, will cause excessive increased permeability of blood vessels and low blood pressure, which induces drowsiness.

    Histamine has various diverse biological roles in different types of tissue. There are several different types of histamine receptor which can be sensitized or desensitized by various cofactors. Each anti-histamine drug targets a different type of receptor. Hence it's a very complex subject which has not been the focus of much detailed study to date.

    My weirdo response is similar to your husband's.
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    It could be the reduction of tryptophan and cysteine. Muscle meat is very high in them and they can suppress thyroid and lead to depression. Better to limit muscle meats to a few times a week, and get some broths soups and organ meats in there instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bopfer View Post
    It could be the reduction of tryptophan and cysteine. Muscle meat is very high in them and they can suppress thyroid and lead to depression. Better to limit muscle meats to a few times a week, and get some broths soups and organ meats in there instead.

    Does this derail the thread? Organ meat: I hear it is high in toxins, especially the liver. No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bopfer View Post
    It could be the reduction of tryptophan and cysteine. Muscle meat is very high in them and they can suppress thyroid and lead to depression. Better to limit muscle meats to a few times a week, and get some broths soups and organ meats in there instead.
    I think this is what he's going to keep doing...in fact, this week he's starting to feel a little fatigue resurfacing, so he's planning to reduce the meat again and see if he can make it go away again.

    Funny thing is he's actually on the hyperthyroid end, runs very hot, is very lean, often has little appetite and no sweeth tooth whatsoever, plus eats a TON of salt - he actually will eat the salt plain from the container. So I think if anything, suppressing the thyroid a bit for him isn't an issue.

    I've been trying to get him to eat liver for months, he just can't stand the taste. He also has a superhuman sense of smell and taste, so it's completely impossible to try to hide it in something else. However, he is willing to drink some of the bone broth I make, even though he hates the flavor.

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    The liver is a detoxifier, but it doesn't store toxins. They are generally stored in fatty tissue.

    Liver is a natural multivitamin.

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    I ate 3 chicken breasts today and felt like a tired sack of shit after. Maybe it was cause it was a little bit on the expired side? Or... "normal" quality.

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