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Thread: Oh, no. Health Care passes. Glad I'm Primal.

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    ".... so many friends that equate capitalism with greed and socialism with equality..."

  2. #22


    I would rather have socialized health care than none at all, and that's the current reality for most working-class people. Aside from prenatal checkups, I've only been to a doctor once in six years, and that's because i thought i was dieing. I haven't had a prescription filled since i was a child. It would be nice to have the option of seeing a medical professional on occasion without being ruined financially. And all these fears i hear people listing? They're already the reality when dealing with private insurance providers, so i don't know what the big deal even is.

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    Because the "solution" won't work. More importantly, it's morally wrong.

    A good start would be to break up the government-enforced AMA monopoly on health care. Certification -- not license!

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    This is going to throw wide the doors for more gov't control over the food we consume. Socialized medicine makes our diet the gov't's business. Be prepared for more whole-grain, low-fat propoganda and more difficulty getting access to the foods we want as Primals.

    That primal commune is sounding better all the time.

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    Many foods are already subsidized by the government. And from what i've read, the current bill will only subsidize health care--not necessarily control it. Maybe it won't work, but i think it's a step in the right direction (at least they're trying). I am curious about what is morally wrong about it though. I must have missed something.

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    Morally wrong == punishing people who haven't done anything wrong.

    Get rid of all food subsidies, period. I don't care if it's for neolithic crap or primal goodness.

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    Who's being punished? From what i read, you get to keep the insurance you already have if you have it. If you can't afford insurance now, you either get subsidized insurance, or you qualify for medicaid (both great alternatives to no insurance at all). If you choose not to have any insurance at all, you pay a fine, which is 1% of your income or $95. If you can't afford the fine, then you probably qualify for medicaid, right?

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    I don't have insurance. I don't want it. Doesn't it strike you as wrong that I'll have to pay a fine if I don't buy it? That I'll be imprisoned or killed if I refuse to pay that fine? And that on top of that, it's cheaper to pay the fine than to buy the insurance?

    PS: And people still think the answer is to vote? If even three percent of the population refused to obey, it'd be game over for tyrants.

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    Imprisoned or killed? lol, where did you read that?

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    Here's a summary that includes everything i've read so far (feel free to take this point-by-point as i don't assume to know everything):

    Starting right away, Medicare starts to close a weird, expensive gap called the "doughnut hole" in its prescription drug program.

    Middle-class consumers who qualify will get a 250-dollar rebate from Medicare.

    Starting in three months, if you've been denied health insurance because of a pre-existing condition, you'll be eligible for federal dollars to buy special insurance.

    Starting at six months, insurance companies won't be able to yank the policies of people who fall sick.

    Children with pre-existing conditions can't be turned away.

    There'll be no more lifetime limits on medical coverage.

    And if you want to put your grown kids on your own health plan while they get their start in life, you can do so until they turn 26.

    In 2011, the Medicare doughnut hole gets smaller as Medicare recipients start getting half-off on brand-name drugs.

    The whole doughnut hole disappears by 2020.

    In 2013, wealthy families earning over a quarter-million dollars a year would see a three-point-eight percent tax hike, but only on their investment income.

    It's not on their regular salary.

    What does come out of their paychecks is a bigger bite for Medicare payments.

    The year 2014 is when most of the new law swings into effect.

    Medicaid expands dramatically, the insurance pools begin and the feds start levying fines for people or companies who balk.

    Let's take those one by one.

    Medicaid will start covering a family of four that earns less than about 29-thousand dollars a year.

    In percentage terms, if you're earning about a third more than the poverty level, you'll qualify for Medicaid.

    Firms with more than 50 workers will face fines if they don't provide health insurance.

    Some states have this provision kick in sooner.

    The insurance pools are for those who don't have any insurance at all.

    If you lack insurance and don't qualify for Medicaid or Medicare, you'll be required to buy coverage through your state.

    Each state will have its own insurance exchange.

    You'll pick and choose from plans in this exchange at competitive rates and your premium will be capped at a percentage of your income.

    The system's designed to work smoothly for the unemployed.

    Lose your job one day and enter your state's insurance exchange for a new policy that very same day.

    Don't like the insurance on offer in the exchange? For the first year you hold out, the federal government will levy a penalty of 95-dollars or one-percent of your income.

    Pick the higher amount -- that's what you'll owe.

    The penalty rises to 695-dollars or two-percent of your income.

    But there are all kinds of exceptions.

    If you're too poor to buy insurance or the cheapest plan would still gobble up more than eight-percent of your income, you're scot-free.

    You can, however, buy into a catastrophic policy that at least covers a worst-case scenario.

    The government will levy those fines to help private insurance companies remain solvent.

    President Obama vowed to work within the private system already in place, and those fines help assure its survival.

    Insurance companies need healthy people to buy policies to pay for the unhealthy people.

    That's how insurance pools work.

    The only way to make the healthcare overhaul profitable for private insurers is to guarantee that the state-run exchanges will flood them with new, healthy, long-lived payers.

    Refuse to buy insurance and it makes covering sick or injured people too costly.

    That's a ripple effect both the government and insurers intend to avoid.

    And lastly, starting in 2020 there'll be a tax on the so-called Cadillac plans.

    Your employer will pay for offering you a first-class plan with high premiums.

    It's assumed the higher cost would be passed on to you, but the premiums are more than ten-thousand dollars for a single person and 27-thousand for couples.

    Very few Americans are offered such pricey plans.

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