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    A new study supports primal eating (but doesn't call it that!)

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    Here's an article saying that low carb diets burn about 300 calories more a day than a low fat diet of equal calories. What's neat is that their definition of low carb sounds exactly like Paleo. Even a mediterranean diet (with some grains, pasta, etc burned 150 more calories a day than the low fat one.

    The experts are still scratching their heads over how this could possibly be!

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    The low carb group was the highest in protein which is the most thermogenic macro. It was rigged on the LC side when it wasn't the carb content of diets that made it superior, it was the higher protein. As some even say proteins actual calorie content works out to be about 3 instead of 4. I think Martin berkham wrote that. Now lets see them switch the higher protein content to the low fat and Mediterranean diet so we have some comparisions.
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    It's a good start, but I'd like to see some mainstream articles that dispute the cholesterol myth. That's the only part that made me mad in that article, good read though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
    The low carb group was the highest in protein which is the most thermogenic macro. It was rigged on the LC side when it wasn't the carb content of diets that made it superior, it was the higher protein. As some even say proteins actual calorie content works out to be about 3 instead of 4. I think Martin berkham wrote that. Now lets see them switch the higher protein content to the low fat and Mediterranean diet so we have some comparisions.
    Bam, debunked in one post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
    The low carb group was the highest in protein which is the most thermogenic macro. It was rigged on the LC side when it wasn't the carb content of diets that made it superior, it was the higher protein. As some even say proteins actual calorie content works out to be about 3 instead of 4. I think Martin berkham wrote that. Now lets see them switch the higher protein content to the low fat and Mediterranean diet so we have some comparisions.
    A good point but as soon as you up the protein you have to lower something else. Up the protein in the Mediterranean diet and it is not a Mediterranean diet. Up the protein in the low fat diet and it is not a low fat diet. In the case of diets you do have to compare apples to oranges.
    Whatever the reason the bottom line seems to be a high protein Paleo/Primal lifestyle works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirlot View Post
    A good point but as soon as you up the protein you have to lower something else. Up the protein in the Mediterranean diet and it is not a Mediterranean diet. Up the protein in the low fat diet and it is not a low fat diet. In the case of diets you do have to compare apples to oranges.
    Whatever the reason the bottom line seems to be a high protein Paleo/Primal lifestyle works.
    It seems as if the "fat-phobia" and CW prevented the researchers from going whole hog (no pun intended) on this... The low-fat diet had a carb/fat/protein ratio of 60/20/20. The Mediterranean diet was iso-protein at 20% with a breakdown of 40/40/20. The "low-carb" diet upped the protein to 30%: 10/60/30. Now, they JUST AS EASILY could have limited their variables and done 10/70/20... but it seems like a fear of presenting a "high-fat" diet might have held them back.

    It seems clear, though, given the advantages the lower carb / higher fat Mediterranean diet had (about half the advantages of the "low-carb") while maintaining the same protein as low-fat, that this clinical study does seem to favor the effectiveness of a low-carb, high-fat WOE, even with some slipperiness due to protein intake variation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirlot View Post
    A good point but as soon as you up the protein you have to lower something else. Up the protein in the Mediterranean diet and it is not a Mediterranean diet. Up the protein in the low fat diet and it is not a low fat diet. In the case of diets you do have to compare apples to oranges.
    Whatever the reason the bottom line seems to be a high protein Paleo/Primal lifestyle works.
    But the Mediterranean diet does not have set macro of 20% protein. I've seen all sorts of variations of what people claim to be the "Mediterranean diet". As far as I can tell, the only thing they all tend to have in common is that they use olive oil. lol
    Although this study didn't use a mediterrranean diet specifically, it was said to be a "Low-glycemic diet similiar to the mediterreanan diet". As for low-fat diets, if you increase the protein on a low fat diet how is it not still a low fat diet? The definition of low-fat is iffy as well, some even claim as high as 25-35% of calories is still classified as low-fat, which is still a pretty decent amount. It can work out to be about 90g of fat a day on 2000c diet.
    It's been known for ever that a higher protein content has its benefits. "Low carb researchers" (whatever the hell they are they don't exactly sound like a non-bias source) like Westman, volek, phinney etc have used these type of tactics to skew the result in low carbs favor before. Which is a shame because low-carb has enough legit benefits without having to resort to misleading tactics or bias studies. That's not to say this study didn't make the primal diet look like a great weight loss option. It did, just not for the reason the title stated.

    Edit. They also mentioned a few other things.

    Ludwig said the low-fat diet had the worst effects on metabolic syndrome, a group of heart disease risk factors. Low-fat diets had adverse effects on insulin sensitivity, triglyceride levels and good cholesterol levels, he said.
    The low-carb diet had drawbacks, too, he said, causing high stress hormones and inflammation that could increase the risk of heart disease.
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    Wouldn't the low carb diet also be low glycemic?

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    A real Mediterranean diet does not include a lot of gains. The Mediterranean diet that is pushed on the rest of the western world includes whole grains (I will leave to conclude what lie that is promoting). In the west when you talk Mediterranean diet the push is for "healthy" whole grains to be part of it. Start adding grains and that is a huge chunk of your calories in nutritionally deficient "foods." Once you add grains there is not much room for real food but I will let you work out the numbers from there.

    You are right a low fat diet COULD include higher levels of protein but CW means low fat and high protein and means high sugar and high other crap. Unless you have been living in a cave eating wild animals full of fat and protein those definitions stand in a CW world. Protein and fat are bad. A low fat diet means low fat, low protein and high sugar...that is what cw thinks is healthy. We can come up with many other scenarios but that is the hands we are dealt.
    Even the mayo clinic had the diet Topsy turvey with meat at the top of the pyramid, meaning eat very little of it and fish is only twice a week...absolute rubbish
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/med...n-diet/CL00011
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    Well, that's the problem. The Mediterranean covers such a wide area with so many diverse countries and diets you can basically get away with calling anything the "Mediterranean diet".
    Basically, there is no one Mediterranean diet and even the Mayo clinic skews it towards their recommendations. (They did have fish and seafood in the middle bracket which was reasonable enough.)
    But most of the countries in that region (France, italy, greece) do contain a lot of wheat, legumes, rice and lentils as well as seafood though.
    I disagree with the low-fat = low protein. It's pretty easy to do at least 25% protein on a lowish fat diet. And conventional advice is always seems to be directing people to eat "lean proteins".
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