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  1. #1
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    Jun 2012

    why mark?

    Apparently there is a tonne of research against our diet, and a tonne of research for our diet. So why is mark right? When one doctor ("help debating with vegans" thread) says eating meat is bad, why do we not believe him? Obviously a doctor would do some sort of research before making such a bold statement. I also noticed that no one really replied to that thread with a real answer, just "ignore them" answers. One day theres a study that comes out saying something is bad, the next theres a study that says its good. How do you decide who or what study to believe? why cant the world get its shit straight and figure it out? So what makes mark right and what makes everyone else wrong? What makes primal research right and all other research wrong? AND, if all this other research is wrong, why is it wrong and why are the people doing these studies trying to destory the world? You have to assume these studies are being done for the greater good, so why would they, mark or anyone else, lie?


  2. #2
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    Aug 2010
    because mark has a Ph.D. in Cool
    yeah you are

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  3. #3
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    Oct 2010
    Washington state
    You're going backwards. You want to start with common sense. What do wild humans eat? What have they eaten for essentially all of their existence as a species? Animals and plants. So what should you feed your human? The same. It's true for any captive animal. The closer you replicate its natural diet, the healthier it is. Science and numbers can all be screwed with to support or disprove anything you want. Research is all biased, and just correlation at best. Always start with common sense.

    You don't need to prove that flies fly.
    Steak, eggs, potatoes - fruits, nuts, berries and forage. Coconut milk and potent herbs and spices. Tea instead of coffee now and teeny amounts of kelp daily. Let's see how this does! Not really had dairy much, and gut seems better for it.

  4. #4
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    Jun 2012
    Chicago, IL
    Quote Originally Posted by Knifegill View Post
    You want to start with common sense. What do wild humans eat?... Animals and plants. So what should you feed your human? The same... Always start with common sense.
    Absolutely agree with this. As soon as I read the OP, my first thought was Occam's Razor - "a principle urging one to select from among competing hypotheses the one which makes the fewest assumptions and offers the simplest explanation of the effect." For me, Paleo/Primal wins hands down on that.

    Plus when I'm standing in the grocery store, the simplest options, and the ones which I have to make the fewest assumptions about their goodness for me, are whole, unrefined, single ingredient foods -- plants, animals, nuts, etc.
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  5. #5
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    Jun 2012
    Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
    I totally get your dilemma. As a grad student, myself, I have come to this place where I've realized that you will always find seemingly reliable research that will completely contradict other reliable, but opposite research. In the end there's very few sure conclusions or facts, there's only evidence that can be made to support whatever you want it to support. You're asking a truly complex question about the way the knowledge is made and legitimized that has been debated through history and I think will forever be debated by scientists and philosophers.

    As for Mark, I don't know if the research he comes up with is "correct" or the "right" research. I know that he looks at research with a critical eye and is always shifting his views as new evidence comes to light. You don't have to listen or believe Mark, in fact, he often says not to and to make up your own mind.

    At this point, I personally listen to Mark, because when I implement what he suggests (not demands) it usually works. The evidence to support his claims appears in my own life.
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    Jun 2012
    I would actually love to see some of the pro-paleo/primal medical research. There's got to be some out there.

  7. #7
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    Jan 2012
    Quote Originally Posted by mikezentz View Post
    I would actually love to see some of the pro-paleo/primal medical research. There's got to be some out there.
    It'll cost but go here and buy this webinar Login OPT: The Science of Nutrition. The lecturer is Matt Lalonde PhD biochemist from Harvard.
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  8. #8
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    May 2012
    I was a vegan for a long long time, and I thoroughly believed everything the vegan guru MDs stated. But I after 12 years of doing that religiously, even progressing to a low-fat raw vegan for the last year of it, I still was still overweight, and I got really ill. Me switching back to eating meat was kind of my way of throwing my hands up in the air and giving up. But I knew I couldn't go back to eating any old crappy stuff that was out there, and that's sort of how I found primal. But it was interesting, from that very first meal eating meat again, I felt WAY better. And I started losing weight again too, despite eating all the stuff that the vegan industry had brainwashed me into believing would kill me.

    I think Primal-JoJo is absolutely correct when she says that there are very few real facts in the nutrition field. It's incredible to me how both sides use the same evidence to support their positions. I think how food interacts with our body is a very complicated issue, and scientists just haven't really figured it out yet.

    So I think the short answer to your question is that you have to do what feels right to you, for your own particular body. If you thrive and feel great eating a certain way, then do it! If you're not thriving, then try tweaking some things until you do feel amazing. It really is as simple as that.

  9. #9
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    Jun 2012
    United States
    Why does anybody have to be wrong? I have friends that are vegans. They run triathlons and rock climb and hike and bike and are phenomenally fit and healthy. I tried to eat vegetarian for six months and my hair fell out. I then started having to jump through all kinds of hoops to get my protein intake up where my body needed it to be. They don't have that problem. I do.

    I have gone very low carb, but have a hard time sticking to it. I need more variety than JUST meat. But I thrive on a low carb diet. As a matter of fact, I just figured out today that even a tad too much fruit sugar leaves me feeling washed out and tired. I also know that grains make me feel crusty. I am probably fine with dairy, but I don't miss it, so what is the point?

    It makes sense to me that grain derived foods might not be that great for us. But maybe large swaths of the population tolerate them better than others. You will never convince me that the prevalence of corn and corn derivatives in the American diet is a good thing.

    I also have a hard time believing that meat is bad for you. Maybe meat AND grains is bad for you. But I have seen too many good results on low carb diets, including lower cholesterol, to think that meat alone is a problem. Maybe grain fed meat is a problem. Maybe meat and a white potato is a bad idea. Or meat and rice. Whatever.

  10. #10
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    Dec 2011
    "They run triathlons and rock climb and hike and bike and are phenomenally fit and healthy."
    How old you all are? Were their mothers vegan? Was their childhood vegan? Is it possible that it takes some time for effects of a wrong diet?

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