(Proverbs 22:17-18):"Incline thine ear, and hear the words of the wise, And apply thine heart to my doctrine; For it is pleasant if thou keep them in thy belly, that they may be established together upon thy lips"
(Amenemope, ch. 1):"Give thine ear, and hear what I say, And apply thine heart to apprehend; It is good for thee to place them in thine heart, let them rest in the casket of thy belly; That they may act as a peg upon thy tongue"
Indeed, if you consider a Middle Stone Age hunter-gatherer band societies, their religion was probably that of the elders who told stories of how their family or clan arose maybe a few generations ago. These older generations were essentially Gods to these prehistoric people. Eventually over time, the band societies formed alliances and tribes and technology grew to the point where humans had more leisure time for things like art. This was roughly 50,000 years ago according to current theory. Some of these tribes in fertile lands grew large and they learned to domesticate animals and grow food. I'm willing to bet ancient Egyptian Gods were actually real live hunter-gatherer cave men who founded the clan many generations ago. Names like Amun and Ra actually sound like a typical caveman name. I bet Osiris and Isis were at one time actual people. However I don't think Isis resurrected Osiris to conceive Horus, I think the true story is that Isis had a child out of wedlock and she made up that story to explain being pregnant and not married. She wanted a son to avenge the death of her husband and to kill her brother-in-law Set.
 Instruction of Amenemope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I suppose if the majority of us happened to be Buddhists instead of Christians, eating meat would be illegal, and that would be ok?
Christians? Explain how you believe in live-and-let-live and how you're all very nice people, really, and you just love baby jesus and angels and Thomas Kinkaide paintings. I call horseshit on that one. But ohhhh, we want to get all butthurt and whine and cry about fighting and off-topicness and 'disrespect' on this thread and Koom-bye-yah can't we all just get along, apes bananas monkeys fighting something civil discourse my god can beat up your god blah blah blah. Cry me a river and go clutch your pearls somewhere else.Six states in America constitutionally ban atheists from holding public office:
Maryland:"That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution."
Arkansas:"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."
Mississippi:"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."
South Carolina:"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."
Tennessee:"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."
Texas:"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."
I still say PB and Christianity can't co-exist because of (a) 6000-year-old earth, no Paleo era at all and (b) what the scriptures say about diet, see below. I'm not sure about Islam as I'm not as familiar with it.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food. Genesis 1:29
Every herb yielding seed is describing grains. Eat 'em up. The Lord commands it!
I find it interesting that things like rock tools, spears, control of fire and clothing were invented by completely different species than homo sapiens. There is evidence of clothing dating back 500,000 years and the earliest homo sapien skull is 200,000 years old.
 History of clothing and textiles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
P.S. I do not identify myself in as a "Christian."
Last edited by Rasputina; 06-24-2012 at 10:12 AM.
People must have been eating grains prior to agriculture.
These were probably the first fat women on the face of the Earth and they had to document it somehow.
 Venus of Laussel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The catalyst all along has been physics. The properties of basic physics are thus: things attract and repel, things are always in motion. This means that matter groups together and dissipates as time goes by. DNA, life's code, is basically able to corral this matter and organize it. Since matter is always in motion, naturally DNA will always change. This physics reason for DNA changing is why evolution can occur. The "more fit for their environment for long enough to replicate themselves" cells are the ones which replicate themselves more, and that is how natural selection "selects" the species which survive and die.
If you don't just throw your hands up and say "must be god!" then you would see all the answers are there...
WTF are you talking about with your next points? Flawed in the sense of our society's belief means unfixable. That's why religion then says this is only a temporary world, and there is heaven or hell afterwards. Humans are not "perfect", otherwise they would leap buildings in a single bound and blow fireballs out of their ass. Humans are natural, as they are a result of natural selection. That makes them an animal just like lions, tigers, and bears.
"If your religion is flawed but also man-made, then man is inherently flawed." .......I have no idea what you mean here. If you are suggesting that if humans actually did make up the religion, and they wrote a flawed religion: then they must be flawed? No, that means they made a mistake. Evolved creatures make mistakes. Sometimes they go extinct because of them.
No shit that the point of religion is for you to follow your god. Your god that you call perfect tells you things like "this is the right way to live" and "man is flawed". You do not have a strong background in science. You might know some applicable material like medical science or engineering, but you do not get the base of it.
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I haven't commented because I haven't read any of the lengthy comments you guys have posted. I didn't subscribe to a post about a debate on the issue. So I have been scanning for the relevant info I was looking for. Simply put, this is not a debate for me, so I don't care to respond. I'm busy making coconut milk yogurt and fermented veggies!
Don't let anybody tell you, "You can't" just because they can't.
We've been eating cereal grains since at least 19,400 BP. But I think those Venus' from 25,000 BC indicate we've been eating cereal grains even earlier than that. The excavation at Ohalo is the earliest known sedentary community.
 Ohalo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 Cradle of civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia