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[Grok]

More like hunter-carpenter-cop-psychiatrist-teacher for one guy, gatherer-doctor-psychiatrist-teacher for another, chief-hunter-gatherer-teacher-psychiatrist-cop for another, hunter-leatherworker-cop-teacher for another.

Right, well now you right back to a situation where it's every man for himself. Independent people who can all take care of their own. Before you were claiming there were specialists, people who were being best carpenter, or best cop or best teacher who played that role for everyone in the tribe.

[RitaRose]

More like hunter-carpenter-cop-psychiatrist-teacher for one guy, gatherer-doctor-psychiatrist-teacher for another, chief-hunter-gatherer-teacher-psychiatrist-cop for another, hunter-leatherworker-cop-teacher for another.

You have such a narrow way of thinking about this.

I was thinking the same thing. People just naturally fall into roles that they do well and find comfortable. Even in a large family, some are caretakers, others uphold rules... it's just how humans are. To assume this is a recent development because the titles are recent... well, I just don't see it.

[Grok]

The only person in this thread who is portraying tribal life as a cartoonish caricature is you, buddy.

I'm not the one claiming there were paleolithic cops and psychiatrists and teachers and doctors and carpenters.

Did they drive around in cars that they powered with their feet too?

[RitaRose]

So, we don't know everything..............therefore god?

You're still tryin to find a need that God's existance must fulfill or He can't exist. And that was my whole point, that existance isn't dependent on the need for something to exist.

[Uncephalized]

I'm not claiming any structure at all. All I did was give an example of two different tribes. One that was successful and another that tested the idea of having social workers like carpenters and doctors and lawyers and teachers which was unsuccessful. Illustrating just how absurd your original description of how tribes worked actually was.

I imagine every tribe was probably a little different as to how they survived depending upon where they lived and how many people they needed to support. Some tribes were more successful and some less so. There was no "best medicine man" or "best conflict resolver". Give me a break.

Have you ever been on an extended wildenress trip, Grok? Ever noticed how when you live and travel with a small group, everyone learns all the essential skills by osmosis, but some people's natural talents and proclivities lead them to dominate in a particular niche? One person will end up doing most of the negotiating with other groups, even though everyone understands how it is done. One or two people take over most of the cooking, though occasionally someone might decide they want to cook one night for a change in routine. Someone else starts telling elaborate stories around the campfire, and it becomes a tradition that they will be given some deference at that time of day because everyone likes to listen, though at some point everyone participates in the general discussion. Yet another person might be particularly interested in native plants and though everyone knows the most common edible and medicinal plants, they might take anything unfamiliar back to camp to be identified by the expert.

In any tight-knit group, everyone knows what everyone else's strengths and weaknesses are. This lends itself naturally and organically to people filling roles as a matter of habit, without any need for official titles or enforcement. I really don't see why you're having such a hard time accepting this when it's an obvious fact of modern life as well.

[Uncephalized]

I'm not the one claiming there were paleolithic cops and psychiatrists and teachers and doctors and carpenters.

Did they drive around in cars that they powered with their feet too?

You are the only one who ever suggested such a thing. Go back and find one actual quote where Wilton or I suggested that we thought it was common in Paleolithic societies for people to fill specialized, defined roles, to the exclusion of ordinary living tasks. We never said anything of the sort. It was you imposed that ridiculous straw man on our actual arguments.

[wiltondeportes]

That's better than the "We don't know everything..............therefore Aliens!" Crowd.
Some people just have BELIEFS.
It has nothing to do with what is real and can be proven.

IS it better than the "Aliens" crowd? Do "Aliens" believers believe they have holy land and are willing to kill for rights to use it? Do "Aliens" directly and indirectly lead a more damaging way of life, to themselves and their surroundings, because their gods told them it was ok?

You are right that the very basic element of "Aliens" and "Jesus" crowds are the same. They believe something is true without complete proof. At the end of the day, we are all believers of something.

-Was I there when Darwin wrote "On The Origin Of Species"? No. How do I know the book and Darwin himself weren't planted by some dark ops cult?
-Was I there when Einstein's experiment proved that light particles always arrived at 3.00x10^8 m/s, no faster or slower if the light emitter was moving towards or away from the target? No. Could he be deceiving my views of physics?
-Was I at all the archaelogical digs that dug up dinosaur bones, 3 million year old human's ancestor's bones?? Could all those be faked for personal gain or for a general plot against the population?
-Are the entire fields of astronomy, physics, geology, and biology that give us a full-ish picture of the history of the world and universe....simply dupes?

I do have my beliefs. The difference is that my story fits together a million times more accurately and in more detail than any religious text. Science proved these religions were antiquated and wrong. Anthropology proved our totalitarian ag society is not the only society of people on this Earth.

[Grok]

You are the only one who ever suggested such a thing. Go back and find one actual quote where Wilton or I suggested that we thought it was common in Paleolithic societies for people to fill specialized, defined roles, to the exclusion of ordinary living tasks. We never said anything of the sort. It was you imposed that ridiculous straw man on our actual arguments.

You are still implying a highly specialized division of labor which is only seen in Flintstone cartoons.

And no, I've never been on an extended wilderness hike where I had to survive on my own.

I remember a TV show recently where a group of people were left out in the wilderness to survive on their own, and they did not do so well.

You cannot compare a modern day human with modern day social programming with prehistoric pre-agriculture man.

[Uncephalized]

Science proved these religions were anquidated and wrong.

I just want to take a moment to say that while "anquidated" is not actually a word, it sounds awesome and we should come up with a suitable definition for it.

Go!

[wiltondeportes]

I'm not claiming any structure at all. All I did was give an example of two different tribes. One that was successful and another that tested the idea of having social workers like carpenters and doctors and lawyers and teachers which was unsuccessful. Illustrating just how absurd your original description of how tribes worked actually was.

I imagine every tribe was probably a little different as to how they survived depending upon where they lived and how many people they needed to support. Some tribes were more successful and some less so. There was no "best medicine man" or "best conflict resolver". Give me a break.

Why wouldn't there be a best medicine man or best conflict resolver. Technically, anybody could perform these acts. Need medicine? Rub the leaf on the wound. There are people in any group that are considered superior for particular skills. There could have been a primary spear thrower that others would channel the animals to. There could have been a primary medicine man for which everyone went to for their owwies. I can't believe I even have to explain this to you.