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    Question Can you go semi-primal?

    Hi, I stumbled across this lifestyle while researching low carb regimes, primarily as I had reached a weight loss plateau. It seems to make sense but I'm not sure I can adjust my diet so drastically. Over the last month I have tried to make some changes based on the primal rules. Before I was eating breakfast: cereal and two pieces of wholemeal toast, lunch:a wholemeal sandwich (protein filling) and another bit of wholemeal toast and a standard dinner with carbs and protein. I kept empty calorie snacks to a minimum but did have weak moments sometimes. After working out at the gym I'd have pitta bread and hummus. My weight was 12st 7 pounds from December until May this year (I'm 6ft.07), down from 13st, 5pounds the previous year-I lost 12 pounds in 8 months from a combination of exercise and getting ill on a trip abroad. I had never gone above 11stone 5 pounds until I took a medication that caused problems with my metabolism and thyroid-I'm now off it. It's my goal to get back to about 11 and a half stone and I changed my breakfast to: one piece of wholemeal bread and either 2 quorn sausages, 2 pieces of bacon or an omelet made from 2 eggs with cheese/ham all cooked in olive oil. Also a small bowl of sugar free museli (even though I know it's not allowed) as I often wake up very hungry and need something before waiting for the other bits to cook, plus an apple. Lunch: A sandwich made from 2 pieces of wholemeal bread with cheese or meat filling. Sometimes a couple of riveta crackers with hummus or philadelphia if I'm still hungry. Dinner is the same as before as I eat with family, although I try to avoid too much bread or pasta. After I work out I have riveta crackers with hummus or philadelphia rather than pitta bread. I think I'm in the weight maintenance carb range as I must be eating at least 100g but less than 150mg. Since I'm still having less carbs than before though I thought it would help my weight and health. Having eaten like this for the last month I've lost 7lb of weight but according to the gym fat measuring scales gained 4.5lb of fat?! This is up from 26% to 30% even though I look the same. I know these scales aren't always accurate but they have consistently showed a slow reduction from 31.7% and 26kg at my heaviest to 26% and 20.6kg last month at 12stone, 7pounds. Now apparently I'm 11stone, 13pounds but with a fat mass of 22.7kg and 30%. I'm confused as to whether the way I'm eating is doing me good or not, I'd like to do the primal plan properly but I don't like many vegetables or salads and I love carbs so am not sure I can cut them down low enough. What I'm asking really is whether it's better to up protein and fat and cut carbs a bit or if I can't stick to a low enough carb intake abandon the plan altogether. I'm happy to be closer to my weight target but really concerned about the apparent fat gain! Sorry for the long post, I hope someone more experienced can tell me if there's anything simple I can do to improve things. Exercise wise I do 2-3 gym work outs with weights then 20mins cardio a week and 30mins-1 hour of walking most days.

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    You're kidding, right?

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    Sure, you can go semi-primal. Sounds to me that you're about 1% primal. So there you are.

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    Love how you're so blunt there. Maybe it's a cultural thing but I'd appreciate some non-patronizing advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutLover View Post
    Love how you're so blunt there. Maybe it's a cultural thing but I'd appreciate some non-patronizing advice.
    Why don't you read the Primal Blueprint, or peruse some of the articles on the site here? Your diet as configured is not going to win many fans who are currently Primal, although the PB can be tailored and personalized to some degree.

    Do you require a hug as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
    Why don't you read the Primal Blueprint, or peruse some of the articles on the site here? Your diet as configured is not going to win many fans who are currently Primal, although the PB can be tailored and personalized to some degree.

    Do you require a hug as well?
    at the very least, paragraph breaks.

    am not sure why you're asking this. you're eating mountains of grain.

    if you up fats and proteins, while keeping all that bread, you will gain weight. and fat.

    the end.
    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodletoy View Post
    at the very least, paragraph breaks.
    Amen.

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    Yes but I've cut the bread I eat from 5-6 pieces to 3. It might still be too much but for me that's progress. I've upped protein but not fat and lost weight, but thanks for the contribution anyway and sorry for the lack of paragraphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutLover View Post
    Yes but I've cut the bread I eat from 5-6 pieces to 3. It might still be too much but for me that's progress. I've upped protein but not fat and lost weight, but thanks for the contribution anyway and sorry for the lack of paragraphs.
    Three a day?

    I suppose cutting back from 5 packs of cigarettes a day to 3 would also represent progress. Try going a month eating no bread and see how that works.

    If that's too fascist, then keep trying to cut back slowly. Noodletoy gave you the basic prescription though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutLover View Post
    Yes but I've cut the bread I eat from 5-6 pieces to 3. It might still be too much but for me that's progress. I've upped protein but not fat and lost weight, but thanks for the contribution anyway and sorry for the lack of paragraphs.
    Primal is not complicated AT ALL. You make it as complicated as you want to.

    To eat Primal:
    - Eat vegetables (non-starchy if you want to lose weight or have a sweet potato if after a workout), cooked/drizzled with fat. You can also have some berries too.
    - Eat fatty cuts of meat, if lean meats or eggs, cook in fat.

    You can get by with these two steps in the beginning. Then you can tweak as you get more comfortable.

    Recommendation:
    -Eat the above prescribed when you are hungry. Only eat when you are physically hungry. If you are hungry when you first wake up and can't wait to eat until your breakfast is cooked, keep some pealed boiled eggs and chopped veggies in the fridge. Much better than your granola (IMO). There are many people that have food journals on here. My meals are generally VERY simple, but taste great (IMO )

    -If you want to start slow, then change one meal per day for 1 week. Then the following week, change two meals, and so on. Instead of having a whole slice of bread 3 times per day, maybe try cutting down to 1/2 slice 3 times per day, then 1/4 slice 3 times per day, then none.

    - Get your fats in. It really helped me with the bread and salty food cravings. I don't think I would have been successful had I not consumed a lot of fat. I can tolerate dairy, so at the beginning, I used a lot of butter. Avocados are high in fat and good source for carbs.

    I personally jumped right in (even though I was very intimidated) but for me it worked. Yes, it was difficult in the beginning, but you need to be prepared ahead of time. If you don't have food prepped ahead of time, you will go for convenience (bread, granola, high carb fruits - because these require no time to prepare). I recommend that you boil up some eggs, cook some bacon (or other meat) and pre-chop low-carb veggies. That way, when hunger strikes, it's a matter of putting the already prepared foods on a plate and eating. Just as convenient as the other high-carb/processed foods that you are eating.

    Hopefully this helped some.

    Cheers,
    Jennifer
    Last edited by Metric; 06-19-2012 at 01:23 PM.

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