No ... not really good at any sports, sadly. Lack of coordination combined with being a major introvert = no good at team sports. The only reason I even ran cross-country was because the high school team needed 5 girls to compete and had only 4, and someone spotted me jogging SLOOOOOWLY out on the roads (in an effort to lose weight) and begged me to join. I always finished last but at least the other girls could compete as individuals that way!
Originally Posted by Dave Mayo
As for my weight, no, it really doesn't fluctuate much. It's been 140 +/- 2 lbs ever since I was 13 yrs old, with the except of when I ran x-country (got down to 130 with all that running plus strict 1200-1500 calorie diet). It was 140 when I ate a high-carb, low-fat SAD diet. And it's 140 now that I've switched to a high-fat, high-protein, low-carb paleo diet. No difference in weight, inches, body fat, etc.
By "a full body program" you mean doing all the different machines at a gym, right? I don't currently belong to a gym and just use the equipment I have at home - - stair stepper, incline bench, and 5/10/25 lb dumbbells. I used to go to a gym but didn't find a new one after I moved to my current house, largely because I never saw any results at all and got tired of putting in so much effort without seeing the tiniest change. I mean, why do a 45-min kick-your-ass spin class followed by a circuit of weight machines 3x per week when I don't get any results at all? I tried a trainer too and although I FELT really tired/sore after, again I never saw any results in weight, inches, general feeling of wellbeing, etc. Seemed like a lot of time and money down the drain.
I've spent months with <10% of my calories coming from carbs, is that not low enough? Everything I saw/read suggested that under 50 grams is really very low.
Originally Posted by Shuttle125
Wow, I've never even heard of this before. I can certainly try to be even more strictly ketogenic, although I was already quite low on the carbs as I've been eating an anti-candida diet at the suggestion of my naturopath doctor. I did find that going super low on the carbs seemed to lead to worse insomnia than normal though. Again it is something I've been working with my naturopath doctor on, using some herbal remedies as well as the old tried and true Benadryl. (If you're wondering why naturopath, it's being a variety of western doctors have completely ignored me so I gave up on them.) I characterize the fatigue as being separate from insomnia because I find that I'm very quickly exhausted even if I get a full night of 8-9 hours sleep. It's also a different feeling, one being "ugh I didn't sleep enough. I want a nap." and the other being "ugh I feel like I'm moving underwater when I try to walk uphill / climb stairs / etc." Hope I'm making sense. The feeling is like I'm simply unable to effectively use the energy I know I have stored up ... which I was calling fat metabolism, although that might not be the right terminology.
Originally Posted by pklopp
Is there any known test or cure for this disease? Or is it just something one manages by following a strict diet and living within the limits it places on strength/stamina?
Huh. This seems to be almost completely at odds with what everyone else is suggesting: "Based on all these factors a moderate plan for weight loss would be a diet of mostly low fat milk/dairy products ... ripe fruits such as fresh squeezed strained OJ ... and nutrient dense foods such as liver, shellfish, eggs, cocoa". I say almost because I think everyone is on-board with the "nutrient dense foods" bit. Anyway, very confusing.
Originally Posted by fiercehunter
My goal is not to lose weight, although I wouldn't argue if it were a side effect. I just want to not feel crappy all the time. I feel fatigued whether I eat low-fat high-carb or high-fat low-carb. I feel fatigued whether I work out 4-5 days a week or remain mostly sedentary aside from mile-long walks around the neighborhood. My frustration boiled over when I had a great breakfast of coffee with whole milk, scrambled eggs, bacon, and berries ... then went on a hike with some friends. They seemed fine whereas I literally thought my legs were going to collapse underneath me. It's like there was no energy whatsoever available to draw from. Not like being winded or something, but like the muscles were at their point of collapse. Is that not weird??
Thats because it is. Its written by Cliff who is a Ray Peat disciple on the fringe. I'd put ZERO stock into it.
Originally Posted by KimInGA
I've been hearing a lot of talk about green coffee beans lately for fat metabolism.
Originally Posted by KimInGA
Throughout your thread as you describe yourself and your symptoms, I swear you are describing myself. I have suffered with recurrent infections ever since I can remember and doctors constantly dosed me up with antibiotics. I spent the better half of my life on antibiotics. I eventually contracted glandular fever (mono) and cytomegalovirus (CMV) which led to the CFS. Luckily I found a doctor that was a GP but also specialized in chinese medicine and he gave me vitamin B12 injections every week for YEARS. I still suffer to this day from everything you are explaining here. These days I only do what I can manage to do. I am fine with lifting weights but not good with any cardio besides walking (anything else will put me out for days). I have been doing some research and I'm going to start supplementing with D-Ribose and L-Carnitine as i am hoping this will help at a cellular level. I also lack energy whether I go low carb/high fat or high carb/low fat, so now just try to eat healthy (and often). I cannot fast as I feel like I am going to pass out it's that bad. You are lucky that you don't need to lose weight. I really need to lose about 60 pounds but with all this going on inside me a large part of me doubts it will ever be a possibility :-( I also have multiple food allergies and the only thing that causes me no symptoms at all is meat.......... I would certainly recommended to get tested for CFS as everything you explain here is what I go through on a daily basis.
Last edited by TARNIP; 06-22-2012 at 03:22 AM.
Yes I've been to a couple of doctors, primary-care as my insurance requires a referral from primary care in order to see a specialist. They have all acted like I'm crazy/exaggerating when I explain the constant fatigue, poor reaction to exercise, frequent headaches and sore throats, and insomnia. They have all totally blown me off. When I suggested that the insomnia felt like it was due to cortisol levels being too high, the one doctor looked at me like, Ahhhh another crazy one. And told me that he could prescribe Ambien or maybe something "to help me manage my anxiety". I was like, buddy, I am one of the calmest people you'll ever meet. I do not have a problem with anxiety. And I had already stated 4x over that I did not want to resort to prescription-strength sleeping pills! That's all they want to do though, ignore any difficult symptoms and throw pills at the rest. Sigh.
Originally Posted by Sihana
I am kind of afraid that CFS is what it is. I wonder if it's essentially a low-level epstein-barr virus infection that just never quite goes away? I was hoping to hear that someone else had similar symptoms and had found a way to overcome it with some combination of diet, supplements, exercise regime ... whatever.
Originally Posted by TARNIP
Did you feel like the B12 injections helped? I take a B-complex pill right now but I've heard it can't compare to B12 injections as far as results go.
I've tried D-ribose and it was like a magical energy-booster for the first 2 weeks, but then the results seemed to greatly diminish. Really sad about that because the first 10 days or so were giving me hope that I could feel normal! I remember one morning I had so much energy that I was skipping around the house in delight. I wonder if that's what normal people feel like after a good night of sleep?