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    It's a good interview. Same as what he talked about in Paleo Summit and I think AHS11 if you've seen i there.

    The highlights:

    7:10 Invalid Inference 1: Our Paleolithic ancestors ate this way and they were free of disease
    9:45 Invalid Inference 2: We haven’t evolved enough to thrive on modern agriculture
    12:12 Invalid Inference 3: We should live like our ancestors because we’re still genetically the same
    18:12 What is the best scientifically backed argument for Paleo?
    22:21 Why typical claims about antinutrients are wrong
    26:28 The misconceptions about phytic acid
    35:46 What can molecules tell us about white potatoes
    39:57 Are lectins really problematic?
    44:30 The least problematic macronutrient in dairy
    50:38 Is slow, low cooking the ultimate way to cook?
    55:35 Gluten sensitivity and coffee cross-reactivity
    59:41 The real story behind Pseudo grains like Quinoa

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    I'd like to hear more about this interview from Mark and other primal folks.

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    The Primal Blue Print often gets mistaken as a "regress back to our hunter gatherer existence" blue print, when that's not the point of it at all. The point is simply that we can draw some logically reasonable inferences based on how evolutionary biology works, and, not surprisingly, most of what Mark preaches lines up with conventional wisdom: Exercise, eat natural food over processed junk, don't smoke, get enough sleep, don't overburden yourself (as much as you can) ect.

    However it's just that, and assuming that mimicking our paleolithic ancestor's diets and lifestyle necessarily facilitates actual health and happiness is utterly logically fallacious.

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    It's all too easy to resort to magical thinking and I am definitely guilty of that. Many of the "logical inferences" I've seen online fall under the same category. I don't understand evolution beyond a superficial level, so I am probably not capable of drawing good inferences based on it. There are many other people in the same boat, and some of them have blogs.

    The part of the interview I was most interested in hearing discussion about was how many of the anti-nutrients that we try to avoid are probably not that big of a deal, especially phytic acid. Are there any in-vivo studies, or is the related research limited to in-vitro or other animal studies?

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    You can find science for or against just about any topic. I feel better in every way when I stick to a primal/paleo WOE and that's all the proof I need.

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    word. I don't need no science to tell me this stuff...

    when you offer food to a DOG it will smell it all over, assess it's digestibility and its impressions of the one offering. Most humans though rank lower than dogs in this respect- if it is on a shelf, or a drive-through window, they will eat it.
    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesn View Post
    It's all too easy to resort to magical thinking and I am definitely guilty of that. Many of the "logical inferences" I've seen online fall under the same category. I don't understand evolution beyond a superficial level, so I am probably not capable of drawing good inferences based on it. There are many other people in the same boat, and some of them have blogs.
    Lol.

    And yeah, totally agree. "What Grok would have done" is far too speculative for me (and usually sidles around the idea that he ate slugs and bugs!)

    Day dream time should be reserved for more interesting stuff...
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Yeah, it's been posted before. It's a really good article and I have a lot of time for Chris kresser and Mat lalonde. Those two guys along with Chris Masterjohn are basically right about *everything* from where I sit.
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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    Good interview. Primal/Paleo starting point and n=1 from there sounds pretty reasonable to me.
    "It's a great life, if you don't weaken.". John Buchan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
    word. I don't need no science to tell me this stuff...

    when you offer food to a DOG it will smell it all over, assess it's digestibility and its impressions of the one offering. Most humans though rank lower than dogs in this respect- if it is on a shelf, or a drive-through window, they will eat it.
    Dogs will eat scraps straight out of a garbage can.
    Many will eat their own crap too.

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