So frustrated with my binges! page 6

[ChocoTaco369]

Yeah sure Choco. I think what a lot of binge eaters (sorry to call you that, I don't believe in labels) need is overall food reform- the High Everything diet minus of course the grains which are the devil. You need high fat, moderate high carb, and high protein- a LOT of food, and then you will feel more relaxed, have a better metabolism etc. I would never in a million years have thought I would promote such a thing but honestly it does work. Eat a lot of everything just not grains.
Primer on doing a radical refeed as the solution for chronic binge eaters:
Rrarf pdf free ebook download from www.180degreehealth.com

I'm not sure where you're going with this or what it means. I enjoy eating large meals, but I don't enjoy being chronically stuffed. I can eat a large meal after a workout because I'm very hungry after a workout and prefer to eat only 1-2 meals a day. I'm not going to sit down and eat a big breakfast, big lunch and big dinner. That's just not sustainable. I don't consider 1,500-2,000 calorie meals as anything close to a "binge," especially when you're an active 25 year old male that requires around 2,400-2,500 calories a day and only eats twice a day. It's a drop in the bucket, especially since I won't eat for around 16 hours after that sorta-kinda-decently-big meal. Besides, show me someone that's ever binged on steak, potatoes and salad. People binge, on cake and ice cream. I don't eat that shit with any kind of regularity. If I do, it's almost always homemade and never a "binge". To this day I've never "binged" in my entire life.

[MarissaLinnea]

Well, I have no idea how many calories I should be eating, how much fat is too much or not enough.

I ate my dinner last night and two hours later I felt hungry, my stomach was growling. I had a handful of nuts and that was it, but I went to bed with hunger in my belly which was a little distracting and harder to get to sleep. This morning around 8 I had three eggs scrambled in butter and a half pound grassfed burger, along with coffee with coconut milk and coconut oil. It's almost 11 now and I feel hungry already.

So what gives? Not enough food? Not enough fat? My body is confused because I gave it tons of sugar a few days ago so it needs a bit to switch back to fat burning? I'M CONFUSED!!!

[ChocoTaco369]

Well, I have no idea how many calories I should be eating, how much fat is too much or not enough.

I ate my dinner last night and two hours later I felt hungry, my stomach was growling. I had a handful of nuts and that was it, but I went to bed with hunger in my belly which was a little distracting and harder to get to sleep. This morning around 8 I had three eggs scrambled in butter and a half pound grassfed burger, along with coffee with coconut milk and coconut oil. It's almost 11 now and I feel hungry already.

So what gives? Not enough food? Not enough fat? My body is confused because I gave it tons of sugar a few days ago so it needs a bit to switch back to fat burning? I'M CONFUSED!!!

If you're so hungry you find it uncomfortable to fall asleep, you should probably eat more food. What is your age/weight/height/activity level? I'm 25 and relatively active, but only ~5'7"/145 lbs. Eating 6 eggs is an absolute joke. 3 extra large eggs is only 240 calories. That's nothing. An entire dozen extra large eggs is less than 1,000 calories. If you are an average sized woman that is moderately active, a TDEE of ~ 1,600-1,800 calories is pretty realistic, which would be eating around 20-24 eggs a day. If your idea of a large meal is 3 eggs and 8oz of beef, well, that's only clocking in around 700 calories or so. If you eat that twice a day, you're undereating significantly.

I also find eating nuts does little to nothing for my hunger. Nuts IMO are a good way to get fat because they are extremely calorically dense, yet do nothing for my satiety so I just eat and eat. Fibrous vegetables and starches seem to do a lot for immediate satiety, while meats take awhile to fill you up. You may want to consider eating your fattier, protein-rich food source first, then eating fibrous vegetables and/or starches after. That way, while the veggies and starches start to provide a quick satiety, the fat has time to catch up.

[emmie]

You sound as though you are as carb sensitive as I am, and that hunger is from all that sugar. It won't stop until you get back into ketosis. You should eat as much as you want--but only of meat, fish, eggs and fat. By staying very low carb and eating to hunger, you should be back in ketosis in a few days.

[MarissaLinnea]

If you're so hungry you find it uncomfortable to fall asleep, you should probably eat more food. What is your age/weight/height/activity level? I'm 25 and relatively active, but only ~5'7"/145 lbs. Eating 6 eggs is an absolute joke. 3 extra large eggs is only 240 calories. That's nothing. An entire dozen extra large eggs is less than 1,000 calories. If you are an average sized woman that is moderately active, a TDEE of ~ 1,600-1,800 calories is pretty realistic, which would be eating around 20-24 eggs a day. If your idea of a large meal is 3 eggs and 8oz of beef, well, that's only clocking in around 700 calories or so. If you eat that twice a day, you're undereating significantly.

I also find eating nuts does little to nothing for my hunger. Nuts IMO are a good way to get fat because they are extremely calorically dense, yet do nothing for my satiety so I just eat and eat. Fibrous vegetables and starches seem to do a lot for immediate satiety, while meats take awhile to fill you up. You may want to consider eating your fattier, protein-rich food source first, then eating fibrous vegetables and/or starches after. That way, while the veggies and starches start to provide a quick satiety, the fat has time to catch up.

I'm 5'7 and about 145. I'm pretty active, I do cardio as well as some resistance training 5-6 days a week, unless I'm feeling tired in which case I cut the cardio down. I'm still pumping milk twice a day for my twin girls but am trying to wean asap. Other than that, I do normal stuff like housework and chase my kids around all day.

Mentioned above is a typical breakfast for me, for lunch I'll have a salad and another burger and possibly some chicken breast as well, or instead of the salad I've been having leftover veggies with butter, or I will make an acorn squash and eat half of that, or a sweet potato. For dinner it's a similar meal, meat with lots of veggies sauteed in EVOO and butter. I usually eat three meals a day and then have several snacks. I was eating a lot of greek yogurt with berries or apples, nuts and/or nut butter with apples, coconut milk with fruit, that kind of stuff but since that binge, I stopped eating the dairy and the fruits so I really haven't had much in the way of snacks except for that handful of nuts last night. And I went to bed hungry. But I'm afraid if I eat the fruits I have here, it will start another binge and I do not want to go there. So far I've been doing ok without the fruits, except for the hungry feeling, lol!!!

Ideally, I would love to not have to limit my diet this way. But until I get this under control, I feel like that's the only way I'm going to move forward and be successful.

I eat 3-4 eggs every morning with some meat. I limit my eggs because I'm not sure how many are ok to eat in a day, just like I'm not sure if I'm eating too little or too much fat, etc. I feel like I could eat more at my meals so I guess that would be a good starting point. It would be nice to not need to have snacks.

You sound as though you are as carb sensitive as I am, and that hunger is from all that sugar. It won't stop until you get back into ketosis. You should eat as much as you want--but only of meat, fish, eggs and fat. By staying very low carb and eating to hunger, you should be back in ketosis in a few days.

What about the veggies? You don't eat veggies?

[jimhensen]

Yeah sure Choco. I think what a lot of binge eaters (sorry to call you that, I don't believe in labels) need is overall food reform- the High Everything diet minus of course the grains which are the devil. You need high fat, moderate high carb, and high protein- a LOT of food, and then you will feel more relaxed, have a better metabolism etc. I would never in a million years have thought I would promote such a thing but honestly it does work. Eat a lot of everything just not grains.
Primer on doing a radical refeed as the solution for chronic binge eaters:
Rrarf pdf free ebook download from www.180degreehealth.com

WTF? Binge eaters need to eat a lot? That is like saying that anorexic people need to diet.

[Neckhammer]

Matt Stone is just redonkulous....I would take his advise right after I asked jimhensen for some.

[lorichka6]

Just tossing this out there... I tried my first OA meeting the other day. I think there are 2 camps of bingers - BINGERS and "I let go sometimes and just eat crappier than I should" eaters. Real compulsive over eaters are the ones that are driving from CVS to CVS to buy king size Snickers and devour them in their car. Then maybe eat a pint of ice cream too. And then some chips, because, by now the sugar craving has worn off and it is a salt craving. This is different from a "binger" who "binged" by eating a pint of ice cream for dinner, after crossfit, in lieu of a real dinner. The people at the meeting talked a lot about addiction - the real problem for a binge eater. And how it can't be solved by diets - high fat, low fat, low sugar, weight watchers, etc. They all talked about searching for that miracle that would just flip the switch... and not finding it. While I truly believe that Paleo/Primal will make it easier to fight binge eating it might that you need some help to overcome an addiction - and diet alone may not be enough.

[MarissaLinnea]

Just tossing this out there... I tried my first OA meeting the other day. I think there are 2 camps of bingers - BINGERS and "I let go sometimes and just eat crappier than I should" eaters. Real compulsive over eaters are the ones that are driving from CVS to CVS to buy king size Snickers and devour them in their car. Then maybe eat a pint of ice cream too. And then some chips, because, by now the sugar craving has worn off and it is a salt craving. This is different from a "binger" who "binged" by eating a pint of ice cream for dinner, after crossfit, in lieu of a real dinner. The people at the meeting talked a lot about addiction - the real problem for a binge eater. And how it can't be solved by diets - high fat, low fat, low sugar, weight watchers, etc. They all talked about searching for that miracle that would just flip the switch... and not finding it. While I truly believe that Paleo/Primal will make it easier to fight binge eating it might that you need some help to overcome an addiction - and diet alone may not be enough.

I have actually thought about doing this. I was on the OA website reading some info. To be perfectly honest, I battled serious alcohol abuse a few years ago....I got through it on my own, and I can have a few drinks now and then and be fine. I don't crave it anymore or think about it anymore like I used to.

But I don't think I ever really dealt with the root issue. To be honest, I don't know what the root issue is. But in many ways I feel I have substituted my alcohol abuse with now, food abuse. So maybe OA or therapy of some sort would be a good thing for me to do. I actually got to the point where I was piping cake icing into my mouth a couple nights ago (you know, the colored ones that you buy in the store to decorate a cake with). I finished one can of cake icing and moved onto the second one, probably got through half or a little more of it and finally had to stop because my husband wanted to go to bed. The worst part is, I was hiding doing it from him. I would have been so embarassed if he caught me doing it. But I did tell him about it the next day. So yeah, thinking about it I guess it's probably a bit more of an issue then just having a sweet tooth.

[jimhensen]

My binges were never sweet based. I like sweets but I could never eat a ton of them at once. I would just eat until I was extremely full and then a few hours later I would do it again. It got to the point that I could never maintain weight. Either I was dieting and losing weight or not dieting and gaining weight.